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EAGLE GUI (8): Missing dialog infos

e14 Contributor
e14 Contributor over 14 years ago

A lot of things in EAGLE are done with quite small dialog boxes

containing only one or two fields. That's not a problem. The problem is

that the VISUAL representation of these is spartan in the extreme and,

again, valuable information is NOT available for the user. Let's take

renaming as an example again:

 

  1. In the schematics, there are three objects that can be renamed:

     Parts, nets and busses. If there are NO multiple segments of

     nets or busses available, the NAME dialog appears the same for

     ALL of the three. It is NOT immediately apparent whether the

     CORRECT thingy will be renamed - the dialog doesn't tell.

     Additionally, the dialog's title is just 'Name'. Hmm. VERY

     minimalistic. Couldn't the dialog be called 'Rename part' or

     'Rename net' or 'Rename bus', so that the user IMMEDIATELY

     knows?

  2. The only edit field is the 'New name:'. When appearing, this

     field nicely contains the CURRENT name of the object. Fine.

     Hitting a key immediately throws away ALL text and enters new

     one. Fine. BUT if the user hit a key by accident and just wanted

     to change the trailing number by one? What WAS that number

     previously? One cannot see anymore. The user could be presented

     with an ADDITINAL text just above 'New name:', which would be

     'Current name:' and show exactly that. Then the user ALWAYS

     could see that, mistyping or no. Even better, with a LITTLE bit

     of additional work one could make this text clickable, so that

     the current name would be inserted into the edit field again

     for further editing.

  3. The user MUST know at this stage what RENAMING really MEANS.

     For parts, that's JUST the unique component identifier, but

     for nets, renaming might create ELECTRICAL CONNECTIONS, which

     is something completely different that quite a number of new

     users are simply not familiar with. The word RENAME (or just

     NAME) does definitely NOT immediately ring a bell like 'Oh, I

     have to be careful, because I might create short-circuits

     with this renaming'. Newbies just DON'T know. That's bad

     enough, of course, but even worse is that EAGLE doesn't TELL

     them: Why not show just an additional descriptive text in the

     'Rename net' dialog like:

        By renaming a net, you can

          - give it a unique, descriptive name or

          - connect it electrically to an existing net by giving

            it an already existing net's name.

     This should clear it up even for new users. Experts of

     course just ignore that text - they already know.

  4. When wanting to CONNECT a net to an already existing one,

     the user MUST know the existing net's name BY HEART (including

     all underscores and whatnots) to be able to enter it into the

     dialog. Why not HELP the user with that? Why not be FRIENDLY

     for a change? Do not just use an edit field for net renaming,

     but a COMBO BOX: Here, the user can either enter a name of

     choice or select an already existing one (because the combo

     contains ALL existing net names, alphabetically sorted).

     Even better: If the user does NOT want to connect anything,

     but just rename, he can even look up if the new name he

     desires is already available (BEFORE getting the 'already

     exists' warning).

  5. If one just wants to DISCONNECT a segment from others, one

     often doesn't care for a CERTAIN name, but just for ANY

     name that doesn't exist yet. Because I never know which

     'N$' number already exist, I usually enter an absurdly

     high number, only to realise that I apparently already did

     that some time ago, resulting in the feared 'already exists'

     warning. Why not HELP the user? Why not be FRIENDLY? Add

     a 'Unique' button to automatically rename the net to 'N$x',

     where 'x' is the first number that has NOT been used so far?

  6. If the user STILL doesn't know what all this is about, why

     not give him the chance to shout HELP by hitting F1? This

     doesn't work at the moment, but it SHOULD! And, of course,

     a dedicated help page for this dialog should be displayed.

     With the NAME command as link somewhere. Or, not as nice,

     but still workable, JUST the help page with the NAME command.

 

Please find attached an example of how such a dialog might look (minus

the segment connection options, which should of course appear when

necessary). Such a dialog is a bit of work, of course, but doesn't have

any impact on other source code snippets, so there's no change of

strange side effects.

 

Of course, from a PROGRAMMER's point of view, it STILL is just a change

of a string. This is why CadSoft created that dialog as it is now: No

hassle, no user help, no nothing. It's just a string edit, so what? But,

from a USER's point of view, it's NOT just a string edit, but something

that can be done MUCH better with a little bit of thought about how

users DO things or might WANT to do things.

 

Please, CadSoft: The programmers are YOU. You don't sell the software

mainly to people who want to PROGRAM with it. You sell it to people who

want to USE it. A user thinks differently from a programmer, so try to

create a GUI that is convenient for the USER, and not for you as a

programmer. Pretend you are a user. Make believe you are a NEW user. Try

to view the GUI with a newbie's eyes. You will be SHOCKED TO THE CORE by

what you will suddenly see then...

 

As somebody else exclaimed loudly some time ago in a different

newsgroup: The E in EAGLE means 'easy'. Yes! So why not MAKE the

software easy and CONVENIENT for the user? Even for NEW users?

 

Andreas Weidner

 

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