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Vias Size Layout / DRC / Board house capabilities / Differential Pairs

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Former Member over 13 years ago

A few questions:

 

Considering this board house / capabilities: Circuits West  - http://www.circuitswest.com/capabilities

Trace/Space and Drilling Information

  • .003”line and space Capability
  • Drilling with .010” bits for .007” hole size for .062” PCB’s
  • High Aspect Ratio of 10:1.

 

 

1)  Trace width minimum/object spacing minimum is 3mils.  This is working fine in Eagle

2)  I have a request for info into the board house, but I believe that 7mil holes is minimum according to the above.  When I place a via the hole plating/pad looks like it has a minimum "thickness" of 10mils (edge of hole inner radius to edge of copper outer radius).  I'm not sure what to make of this.  Can eagle do smaller plating thickness?  Where is this setting? 

3) How do I utilize/make micro-vias?

4)  Given the above capabilities.  What additional questions do I need to ask the board house to successfully layout a board.

5)  I'm drawing in 50-Ohm (100 ohm differential) differential pair traces.  Anyone with experience with this and eagle that has suggestions/pointers/resources would be greatly appreciated!

 

Thanks in advance for the help!  It's been 10 years since i've done any layout and I've never used Eagle to put things in perspective. image

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    Former Member over 13 years ago

    Phil Lorenz wrote:

     

    A few questions:

     

    Considering this board house / capabilities: Circuits West  -

    http://www.circuitswest.com/capabilities *Trace/Space and Drilling

    Information* * .003”line and space Capability

    • Drilling with .010” bits for .007” hole size for .062” PCB’s

    • High Aspect Ratio of 10:1.

     

     

    1)  Trace width minimum/object spacing minimum is 3mils.  This is working

    fine in Eagle

     

    I highly recommend paying extra for a full electrical netlist check on a

    board with spacing that fine, as copper shorts are quite likely. Depending

    on how many boards the house has to scrap due to shorts, expect the cost to

    rise substantially as well. You also have to pay close attention to current

    capacity with traces that fine. FYI.

     

    2)  I have a request for info into the board house, but I

    believe that 7mil holes is minimum according to the above.  When I place a

    via the hole plating/pad looks like it has a minimum "thickness" of 10mils

    (edge of hole inner radius to edge of copper outer radius).  I'm not sure

    what to make of this.  Can eagle do smaller plating thickness?  Where is

    this setting?

     

    You need to look in DRC (the design rule check icon) for the min restring

    and adjust that parameter accordingly. See Help->Design Rules.

     

    3) How do I utilize/make micro-vias?

     

    You have to use the right layer stack-up description. Again, see Help-

    >Design Rules.

     

    4)  Given the above

    capabilities.  What additional questions do I need to ask the board house

    to successfully layout a board.

     

    See above about electrical rule check, and below.

     

    5)  I'm drawing in 50-Ohm (100 ohm

    differential) differential pair traces.  Anyone with experience with this

    and eagle that has suggestions/pointers/resources would be greatly

    appreciated!

     

     

    There are plenty of online calculators for calculating the impedence of

    external or internal differential pair traces. The only thing you directly

    control is the distance between the traces, how wide they are, and where

    they are in relation to the ground plane (if any). However, they also

    require knowledge of the dielectric of the laminate (typically for ER-4, but

    other laminates are available for RF), the thickness of the copper, and the

    thickness of the prepegs in the PCB stackup. All of these require

    interfacing with the board house to get the necessary information, as well

    as what impedence testing gear they have, what kind of test coupons they may

    want, etc. etc. The tighter the tolerance you need, the more interfacing you

    will have to do, and the more money you will be paying.

     

    That said, I've only done one controlled impedence board to date, so others

    on this forum might have more to add, or corrections to make.

     

     

    Thanks in advance for the help!  It's been 10 years since i've done any

    layout and I've never used Eagle to put things in perspective. image

     

     

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