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New eagle licensing -> goodbye Eagle

SpacedCowboy
SpacedCowboy over 12 years ago

So, I've used Eagle now for over 10 years. In all that time I've always upgraded to the latest version, but that's just stopped.

 

I have multiple computers, and I use multiple locations. I've always only ever used one instance of Eagle at a time, and I've never given the license details to anyone else. Unfortunately, the latest way in which Eagle is licensed is way too restrictive for me to work with the product as I have done for over a decade now.

 

The problem is two-fold:

  • You are only allowed to install on 2 (which is pitiful!) computers if you have a single user license.
  • You cannot use a flexlm-based license for a single-user license.

 

The combination of those two things means I can't duplicate the setup I currently have, so this is the classic example of how proprietary software owners can screw you over without you having any recompense or workaround, despite you being a paying and loyal customer for an extended period of time. I don't consider cracking the software to be an adequate workaround.

 

So, if I'm going to have to spend $$$ in the thousands, I'll take a good look at the competition first, and even at the freebies like kikad. Eagle has major shortcomings anyway - no "bus routing" and the differential pair support is poor at best. I think, with this decision, cadsoft couldn't have done more to help along the freebies, and lose the people who might some day splash the cash and go for the pro option.

 

A primary rule for any software "upgrade" is "don't break the existing workflows". Eagle v7 is completely useless to me, not because of its feature-set, not because of any price issues, but because the management is being pants-on-head moronic about how it goes about licensing. Licensing, of all things.

 

Very disappointed.

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  • e14 Contributor
    e14 Contributor over 12 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Jorge, CadSoft may have revered back to the old licensing, however it doesn't make a bit of difference when a) the license file for v6 no longer works for v7, and b) repeated e-mails to sales@cadsoft are not being replied to. So what's it going to take to get SOMEONE to reply to those e-mails requesting a license update/upgrade?

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  • coflynn
    coflynn over 12 years ago in reply to e14 Contributor

    FYI they reverted the new licensing model, 7 is exactly like 6 now (e.g. once you've got the install code you don't need CadSoft's blessing to change machines). I also believe all the old installers are freely available... I'm not sure if there is a link but you can figure it out from the download URL easily enough. It's useful if you need to support someone using another version.

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    autodeskguest over 12 years ago in reply to e14 Contributor

    Hi Leon,

     

    We reverted to our old more flexible licensing system, so at the very

    least that nightmare is gone.

     

    hth,

    Jorge Garcia

     

     

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  • e14 Contributor
    e14 Contributor over 12 years ago in reply to patweston

    Hi There ... I had Eagle 6.6.0 running on my mac ... YES this copy did get deleted when installing 7.0.0.  It would have been nice to know about this licensing before the change ... emailed cadsoft about this & they sent me a quotation for a upgrade.  US$500-600 on top of what I paid last year??? (US$1600-1700)

     

    BUT I was able to re-install the previous version.  ( I'm not religious but thank god!!!)

     

    This program has so much going for it ... add such a extreme licensing system???  I have another cad program which uses the same type of licensing, while a good program, the licensing makes it a nightmare.

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  • KE5FX
    KE5FX over 12 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Jorge Garcia wrote:

    Hello All,

     

    In light of all of the issues of the new licensing mechanism, we have

    decided to revert to our licensing scheme. There will no longer be a

    requirement to use a HostID or FlexLM server.

     

    Thank you all for your feedback.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

     

    Great to hear that.  You could still offer an optional server-based

    license system for corporate users, but it never really made any sense

    for single-user licenses.

     

    -- john, KE5FX

     

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    autodeskguest over 12 years ago in reply to speltron.dk

     

    But later on the same page I can read this:

    "Single licenses

    The Host Identifier (HostID) will determine the specific computer that

    needs to be licensed. It is possible to use a single license on two

    computers; please determine the HostID for each computer. (Installation

    instructions below)"

     

    Does this mean that IF (!!!) I upgrade to ver 7.1 I only can use it on

    two computeres ????

    That is NOT identical to my possibilities in ver 6.

    Is there something I have misunderstood ?

     

    That's just a hold over text, we'll be getting rid of it shortly. Sorry

    about the confusion.

     

    Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

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    e14 Contributor over 12 years ago in reply to speltron.dk

    That may just be left over text that hasn't been removed yet. As Jorge Garcia stated above, "There will no longer be a requirement to use a HostID or FlexLM server."

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  • speltron.dk
    speltron.dk over 12 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    At the adress: http://www.cadsoftusa.com/lizenzierung/?language=en one can read following:

    "The v7 License management system and user rights will be identical to those in EAGLE v6."

     

    But later on the same page I can read this:

    "Single licenses

    The Host Identifier (HostID) will determine the specific computer that needs to be licensed. It is possible to use a single license on two computers; please determine the HostID for each computer. (Installation instructions below)"

     

    Does this mean that IF (!!!) I upgrade to ver 7.1 I only can use it on two computeres ????

    That is NOT identical to my possibilities in ver 6.

    Is there something I have misunderstood ?

     

    If not, I will NOT upgrade - but starting looking for another PCB-program - it really makes me sad :-((

    (I used Eagle for more than 10 years  - Standard, and the last years the Pro-version and have recommended Eagle to many people - in the future don't dare that - also I will look for other component-suppliers than Farnell - I really don't like such a way to handle customers :-((

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 12 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Wife approved upgrade.  Purchase has been made  image

     

    mikey

     

    --

    Web access to CadSoft support forums at www.eaglecentral.ca.  Where the CadSoft EAGLE community meets.

     

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    autodeskguest over 12 years ago in reply to dukepro

    Thank you!  While I am a small fish in the pond, it gives me a warm fuzzy

    for Cadsoft and I will be negotiating with the budget directory (AKA wife)

    to upgrade my license soon.

     

    mikey

     

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    Web access to CadSoft support forums at www.eaglecentral.ca.  Where the CadSoft EAGLE community meets.

     

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