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New eagle licensing -> goodbye Eagle

SpacedCowboy
SpacedCowboy over 12 years ago

So, I've used Eagle now for over 10 years. In all that time I've always upgraded to the latest version, but that's just stopped.

 

I have multiple computers, and I use multiple locations. I've always only ever used one instance of Eagle at a time, and I've never given the license details to anyone else. Unfortunately, the latest way in which Eagle is licensed is way too restrictive for me to work with the product as I have done for over a decade now.

 

The problem is two-fold:

  • You are only allowed to install on 2 (which is pitiful!) computers if you have a single user license.
  • You cannot use a flexlm-based license for a single-user license.

 

The combination of those two things means I can't duplicate the setup I currently have, so this is the classic example of how proprietary software owners can screw you over without you having any recompense or workaround, despite you being a paying and loyal customer for an extended period of time. I don't consider cracking the software to be an adequate workaround.

 

So, if I'm going to have to spend $$$ in the thousands, I'll take a good look at the competition first, and even at the freebies like kikad. Eagle has major shortcomings anyway - no "bus routing" and the differential pair support is poor at best. I think, with this decision, cadsoft couldn't have done more to help along the freebies, and lose the people who might some day splash the cash and go for the pro option.

 

A primary rule for any software "upgrade" is "don't break the existing workflows". Eagle v7 is completely useless to me, not because of its feature-set, not because of any price issues, but because the management is being pants-on-head moronic about how it goes about licensing. Licensing, of all things.

 

Very disappointed.

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    e14 Contributor over 12 years ago in reply to skyflyrr

    On 21/07/14 15:35, Bob Moreno wrote:

    Our company has a 3 seat Pro license and we will be searching for

    another CAD software to use.

     

    We're using a competing package at work (about which nobody has a nice

    word to say). I've been pushing for a trial of EAGLE, on the basis that

    the realtime forward/back annotation alone would have saved us hours.

     

    I think I'm going to find a better use of my time. And that was a

    potential 5-seat site licence sale for Cadsoft, potentially increasing

    if there was interest from other development sites.

     

    I hear the Altium branded grass is a little greener this time of year...

     

    --

    Phil.

    philpem@philpem.me.uk

    http://www.philpem.me.uk/

     

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    autodeskguest over 12 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    On 7/21/2014 3:13 AM, Joern Paschedag wrote:

    Am 19.07.2014 22:28, schrieb patweston:

     

    snip

     

    What really irks me is that installing 7.0.0 removed previous versions,

     

    Can someone confirm that??

     

    And what about a Cadsoft statement regarding it?

     

     

    My guess here is that patweston is using a Mac. For some reason, I can't

    comprehend like many things, the MacOS automatically uninstalls previous

    versions of software when you install a new one. I'm not a hard core Mac

    user, and someone more experienced than me can correct me on that but

    that has been my experience.

     

    EAGLE never automatically uninstalls by design.

     

    hth,

    Jorge Garcia

     

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  • coflynn
    coflynn over 12 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    I have an iMAC.

     

    V6.6.0 was there, licensed and working.

    I'm on Win7 where the installer worked, so perhaps there's some issue with the Mac version or other issues with the installer.

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    autodeskguest over 12 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Am 21.07.2014 07:43, schrieb Markus Rudolf:

    On 20.07.2014 09:17, Joop14 wrote:

     

    Could this all be because Farnell has bought Cadsof Eagle?

     

    Greetings from Mr. Shareholder Value

     

    Markus

     

     

    I think so.

     

    Afaik there was an agreement between the founders and Farnell to

    continue the business as it was then..

    Perhaps the peace time has run out?

     

    --

    Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

     

    Joern Paschedag

     

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    autodeskguest over 12 years ago in reply to patweston

    Am 21.07.2014 17:43, schrieb patweston:

    I have an iMAC.

     

    V6.6.0 was there, licensed and working. I installed V7.0.0, struggled

    unsuccessfully to instal the license, tried to launch V6.6.0, nothing

    happened. The folder was still there but only content was a bin folder

    with the eagle.key file. Nothing was overwritten, there is a separate

    folder for V7.0.0 with all the folders and files there, but is unusable.

     

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    Thank you patweston for the answer.

    I hope to hear some others and perhaps one from cadsoft.

     

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    Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

     

    Joern Paschedag

     

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    patweston over 12 years ago in reply to coflynn

    I have an iMAC.

     

    V6.6.0 was there, licensed and working. I installed V7.0.0, struggled unsuccessfully to instal the license, tried to launch V6.6.0, nothing happened. The folder was still there but only content was a bin folder with the eagle.key file. Nothing was overwritten, there is a separate folder for V7.0.0 with all the folders and files there, but is unusable.

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    autodeskguest over 12 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    rk wrote on Mon, 21 July 2014 10:20

    They do, as Walter Spermann explained: They concentrate on a new

    customer base in Asia/Russia and that these new customers want a

    licensing scheme like this.

     

     

    That's nonsense.  Much more likely, Cadsoft is worried about more license

    fraud from those areas and is seeking to protect itself, which is exactly

    the opposite of what the customers want in Asia and Russia.

     

    Overall, this means Cadsoft values the potential new customers more than

    the existing ones.  This makes me worry that much of their future effort

    will be in producing Chinese and Russian language versions instead of

    giving us new features.

     

    The more I hear, the more this sounds like the beginning of the end.  I

    have a lot invested in Eagle, but now that seems like a liability.  With

    the obnoxios license structure and the future of Eagle itself now in

    question, it's time to look around to see what else is out there.

    --

    Web access to CadSoft support forums at www.eaglecentral.ca.  Where the CadSoft EAGLE community meets.

     

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    skyflyrr over 12 years ago

    Our company has a 3 seat Pro license and we will be searching for another CAD software to use.

     

    Bob Moreno

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    autodeskguest over 12 years ago in reply to coflynn

    Am 21.07.2014 14:48, schrieb Colin O'Flynn:

    Can someone confirm that??

    Not for me - I installed 7.0.0 to test it out, and have all my previous

    versions still there & licensed...

     

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    Colin thank you for the answer.

    I suppose he just overwrote ver.6  with ver.7,

    otherwise.... oh boy...

     

     

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    Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

     

    Joern Paschedag

     

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    autodeskguest over 12 years ago in reply to dukepro

    Hi!

     

    Am 21.07.2014 15:55, schrieb Chuck Huber:

    This is the kind of thing that happens when a bureaucrat is left alone

    in a room with a typewriter.

     

    Exactly.

     

    Did they expected to boost their sales with a more restrictive license

    policy, or moving from a user based license to a concurrent license?

     

    They do, as Walter Spermann explained: They concentrate on a new

    customer base in Asia/Russia and that these new customers want a

    licensing scheme like this. Hence they give a *** on us paying

    customers of the past.

     

    I, for one, am looking forward to version 7.1 that reverts back to the

    previous licensing policy, you know, the one that produced the growth

    that you've seen so far.

     

    The next thing you'll probably get is the dongle that Jorge Garcia is so

    hot for. You'll have to wait for V8, at least. However, all these

    activities add more and more cost to the product, but there is

    absolutely no value added, no progress...

     

    All that's left to do for now: Don't upgrade.

     

    Rene

     

     

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