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Eagle Drill Sizes

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Former Member over 9 years ago

Hi All,

 

I'm a student currently working on my senior design project. I have no PCB experience whatsoever and this project is my first experience doing a PCB design. I just submitted CAM files to Advanced Circuits to get a prototype board printed for my project (they have special pricing for students) and I got an email back with several errors found by a CAM Engineer. One of the errors include "This design has minimum drill size of .01181" that is less than AC minimum of .015" for $33 special. Please provide a revised drill file"  When I was doing my design I didn't think to adjust any drill sizes so I just used whatever Eagle gave me.

 

In Eagle Freeware, Is there any easy way to change the minimum drill sizes for all the holes under .015"? What is the process of doing this? I hope I won't have to start over.

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Tim

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  • coldie
    0 coldie over 9 years ago

    Go to ERC then select the TAB=Sizes, then you'll see "Minimum Drill" set the minimum, but the board needs to be un-routed first.

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  • thomasinaz
    0 thomasinaz over 9 years ago

    Depending on what is easier you could also right click on each hole then select the drill size from the menu. That would save you from having to reroute the entire board.

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  • coldie
    0 coldie over 9 years ago in reply to thomasinaz

    Yes you could, but I find it fundamentally so easy to rip up the board and redo the auto-router, even for the smallest of changes as it only takes a few minutes to re-route.

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  • thomasinaz
    0 thomasinaz over 9 years ago in reply to coldie

    Depends on the board. Not everything can be auto routed or re-done quickly.

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  • coldie
    0 coldie over 9 years ago in reply to thomasinaz

    True, true mate, it's just that this is a kid doing a project, so I don't expect it to be to complex!

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  • dukepro
    0 dukepro over 9 years ago in reply to thomasinaz

     

    One could also enter into the command line:

     

        change drill 15mil

     

    then start clicking on every via.

     

    Even easier yet, enter the following into the command line:

     

        group all;

        change drill 15mil (C>0 0);

     

    Poof!  all the vias are 15 mils.  The special syntax for typing a mouse

    click is explained in the user manual under "Entering Coordinates as

    Text" under "Modifier".  This starts on page 97 of the English version

    of 7.6.0.

     

    With all that said, it's best to go ahead and use larger vias -

    something around a 24 mil for barebones boards.  Advanced circuits can

    certainly provide a smaller drill hole, but that doesn't mean that it's

    wise to use them.

     

    Things to consider are:

     

     

    • Physical environment.  Most students, including myself back in the

        day, don't really take adequate precautions to protect a board.

        Metalized mylar bags go a long way to protect against electrostatic

        discharge (ESD).  Plastic chairs and synthetic clothing are the worst.

     

        Also consider how the board will be transported.  Most likely, it

        will be thrown into a backpack along with a boatload of other books,

        candy bars, breadboards, and other stuff - you know... the usual

        crap that accumulates throughout the course of a curriculum.  It's

        best to keep the board in a metalized mylar bag (ESD protection),

        and insert the bag into a bubble bag.

     

        Considering the board will most likely be abused (backpacks, etc.),

        one should lean toward using larger vias because as the board flexes

        during mechanical shock and vibration and expands and contracts due

        to temperature changes, cracks can form between the annular ring of

        a via and the through-hole plating leaving a via open.

     

        Speaking of temperature, note that copper has a significantly higher

        coefficient of expansion than the fiberglass in which it's mounted.

        The via's won't move since they're embedded in the fiberglass, but

        the copper connecting to a via will contract and can pull away from

        the through-hole plating.  The same thing can happen when a very

        narrow trace joins an annular ring associated with a via.  Stress

        can concentrate at the corner where the edge of the trace meets the

        edge of the annular ring.

     

     

    • Current load is another consideration.  Small vias (about 16mil and

        smaller) are generally suitable for small signals - on the order of

        mA or lower.  Here's a good rule-of-thumb:  a copper trace on 1-oz

        thick copper that is 100 mils wide is equivalent 28 gauge wire.  The

        engineer should consider the current a trace (and via) need to

        carry, its duty cycle, the degree of thermal heating that is

        acceptable, and other environmental considerations.

     

     

    • I'm not going to go into the transmission line considerations of

        what a change in impedance can do to an RF signal, or the 1/4-turn

        inductor that is formed when a trace goes into a via, and the other

        1/4-turn inductor when it comes out the other side.

     

    I'll bet that some of these considerations come as a surprise.  But you

    will get a general feel for what to use where once you've done the

    engineering analysis a few times.

     

    For an academic project, I would stick to 24mil or larger holes.  Along

    the same lines, stick with the widest trace you can tolerate.  IC's with

    0.5mm pin pitch will need 8mil traces, but as soon as you have the room,

    widen the trace to at least 10mil.

     

    As you take on a greater variety of projects, you will find that which

    size to use when becomes second hand.

     

    This is probably more than what you bargained, and it's certainly more

    than what I intended.  But I hope it helps.

     

    Enjoy,

        - Chuck

     

     

     

    On 09/30/2016 02:28 AM, Tom Hurst wrote:

    Depending on what is easier you could also right click on each hole then select the drill size from the menu. That would save you from having to reroute the entire board.

     

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    0 autodeskguest over 9 years ago

    On 30/09/2016 9:11 a.m., Tim Aries wrote:

    Hi All,

     

    I'm a student currently working on my senior design project. I have no PCB experience whatsoever and this project is my first experience doing a PCB design. I just submitted CAM files to Advanced Circuits to get a prototype board printed for my project (they have special pricing for students) and I got an email back with several errors found by a CAM Engineer. One of the errors include "This design has minimum drill size of .01181" that is less than AC minimum of .015" for $33 special. Please provide a revised drill file"  When I was doing my design I didn't think to adjust any drill sizes so I just used whatever Eagle gave me.

     

    In Eagle Freeware, Is there any easy way to change the minimum drill sizes for all the holes under .015"? What is the process of doing this?

     

    Thanks in advance!

     

    Tim

     

    Hi Tim

     

    Firstly you need to identify where the under size holes are.

    Are they in vias or are they in the footprints for the components?

     

    If they are in the vias then you can change them on the board using the

    methods the others spoken of. If they are in the footprints for the

    components then they need to be changed in the libraries.

     

    So the fastest way to crack this nut would be.

     

    Inspect one via that looks to have a small drill hole and see if it is

    undersize. If it is, determine what is a sensible size via drill for the

    scale of your design and change all vias to that size.

     

    At this point you will know your vias meet the 0.015 minimum

     

    Next I would run the following ULP

    statistic-brd.ulp

     

    When it completes, look on the tab DRILL/HOLE

    Look in the columns 'PAD drill' and 'VIA drill'

    The values are in millimetres but you will be able to determine if you

    have any holes under 0.015" (0.381mm)

     

    Hopefully vias were the issue. If not, come back.

     

    HTH

    Warren

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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