Need help with Eagle for PCB...

Am 27.10.2018 um 22:07 schrieb Christian Adzic:

Hi!

I'm new in Eagle and I'm migrating from NI Ultiboard to Eagle.

I use NI product around 20 years and have many projects finished with that software package,

but unfortunately, I saw Eagle and the great think does it is compatible with my DIY CNC machine

what I use for PCB fabricating, I switching to Eagle. For now, I use the free version but I thinking to

pay the year registration too if It will really meet my requirement, what's are not so complicated...

 

Here is the problem I run into in Eagle and I can see other people have also the same problems.

 

1. I can't imagine does such of software, such huge company like AutoCAD, they didn't integrate

a ruler system like what we can see even in MS Word, or I had in NI Ultiboard...

 

2. There is also no simple way to change the width on a bunch of traces on a simple project, let's say something

like the simplest pcb for an Attiny85 development board.

 

3. I also can't figure out a simple onboard part footprint parameter changing.

I have to go into some libraries, databases, copying and pasting parts from - to etc...

That's crap also.

 

4. The PCB 3D representation is really crap in Eagle.

I can't imagine does in NI Ultiboard it is just one click stuff. Here in Eagle, I'm, as an electronic engineer I must be also a

person who knows 3D modeling techniques to watch my project in 3D representation.

That's really non-sense.

 

Everything I mentioned above is so time-consuming job what is unusable and very boring when I make a pcb.

 

Questions:

1. I can't imagine how can I precisely put a component on a precise location on my pcb?

Let's say I have a pcb width 5cm and height 8cm.

I wish to put a connector 1cm far from the left side of my pcb, that means, that the connector should be located

1cm from the left side where the max width is 5cm.

That "snap to grid" stuff is also very crapy. It snaps to grid non-stop to some location but I can't snap it to the half size of a grid.

 

2. Is there a really ruler system somewhere in Eagle what I can enable and use it?

The measurement tool from the tool panel is also crap, it also measures the distance between the grid's but not between the real  distance of two objects etc...

 

I really don't know how to make my pcb really precise as I saw on several intro videos on YouTube...

 

I hope does someone can surprise me and give me some support on how to overcome these problems.

I was really thinking to buy Eagle but after I tried out and I read the same problems over the net, and AutoCAD didn't made

any modification to solve the problem, I'm really thinking to step back and not to buy...

 

Thanks.

 

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Hi there,

there is a simple way: If you don't like eagle don't use it.

I won't use a program where almost everything is crab.

So if you plan to get a pro licence why don't you try with a month

licence first.

I really haven't seen lay-outers to use a ruler, but in eagle one can

use the grid to set to every  thing one wants, inch, mm etc.

Usually at the top left on the board screen is a coordinate scale

representing the numbers set by the grid i.e. 1mm +- from coordinate 0:0

or in relation set by MARK.

Besides there is measuring available.

...to change the width on a bunch of traces...

use GROUP and then change the width.

...onboard part footprint parameter changing...

is bullshit imho.

Actually there is no need to do so. Use the correct device with the

correct package and you are done with it.

Unfortunately in SMS technology different manufacturers have different

footprints for the same product device. One must live with it and

carefully check the data sheets.

3D really not good.

As a newcomer you make the mistake every newcomer makes to a new system,

having seen

videos on YouTube and read a tutorial and think you know the system.

No one can learn a CAD system just like that, the experience makes the

master...

after a time

--

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag

Am 27.10.2018 um 22:07 schrieb Christian Adzic:

Hi!

I'm new in Eagle and I'm migrating from NI Ultiboard to Eagle.

I use NI product around 20 years and have many projects finished with that software package,

but unfortunately, I saw Eagle and the great think does it is compatible with my DIY CNC machine

what I use for PCB fabricating, I switching to Eagle. For now, I use the free version but I thinking to

pay the year registration too if It will really meet my requirement, what's are not so complicated...

 

Here is the problem I run into in Eagle and I can see other people have also the same problems.

 

1. I can't imagine does such of software, such huge company like AutoCAD, they didn't integrate

a ruler system like what we can see even in MS Word, or I had in NI Ultiboard...

 

2. There is also no simple way to change the width on a bunch of traces on a simple project, let's say something

like the simplest pcb for an Attiny85 development board.

 

3. I also can't figure out a simple onboard part footprint parameter changing.

I have to go into some libraries, databases, copying and pasting parts from - to etc...

That's crap also.

 

4. The PCB 3D representation is really crap in Eagle.

I can't imagine does in NI Ultiboard it is just one click stuff. Here in Eagle, I'm, as an electronic engineer I must be also a

person who knows 3D modeling techniques to watch my project in 3D representation.

That's really non-sense.

 

Everything I mentioned above is so time-consuming job what is unusable and very boring when I make a pcb.

 

Questions:

1. I can't imagine how can I precisely put a component on a precise location on my pcb?

Let's say I have a pcb width 5cm and height 8cm.

I wish to put a connector 1cm far from the left side of my pcb, that means, that the connector should be located

1cm from the left side where the max width is 5cm.

That "snap to grid" stuff is also very crapy. It snaps to grid non-stop to some location but I can't snap it to the half size of a grid.

 

2. Is there a really ruler system somewhere in Eagle what I can enable and use it?

The measurement tool from the tool panel is also crap, it also measures the distance between the grid's but not between the real  distance of two objects etc...

 

I really don't know how to make my pcb really precise as I saw on several intro videos on YouTube...

 

I hope does someone can surprise me and give me some support on how to overcome these problems.

I was really thinking to buy Eagle but after I tried out and I read the same problems over the net, and AutoCAD didn't made

any modification to solve the problem, I'm really thinking to step back and not to buy...

 

Thanks.

 

--

To view any images and attachments in this post, visit:

https://www.element14.com/community/message/247244

 

Hi there,

there is a simple way: If you don't like eagle don't use it.

I won't use a program where almost everything is crab.

So if you plan to get a pro licence why don't you try with a month

licence first.

I really haven't seen lay-outers to use a ruler, but in eagle one can

use the grid to set to every  thing one wants, inch, mm etc.

Usually at the top left on the board screen is a coordinate scale

representing the numbers set by the grid i.e. 1mm +- from coordinate 0:0

or in relation set by MARK.

Besides there is measuring available.

...to change the width on a bunch of traces...

use GROUP and then change the width.

...onboard part footprint parameter changing...

is bullshit imho.

Actually there is no need to do so. Use the correct device with the

correct package and you are done with it.

Unfortunately in SMS technology different manufacturers have different

footprints for the same product device. One must live with it and

carefully check the data sheets.

3D really not good.

As a newcomer you make the mistake every newcomer makes to a new system,

having seen

videos on YouTube and read a tutorial and think you know the system.

No one can learn a CAD system just like that, the experience makes the

master...

after a time

--

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag