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"Gary Gofstein" <ggofstein@lbl_nospam.gov> schrieb im Newsbeitrag

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So you weren't really looking for "support" so much as you are asking for

a new feature, or more accurately the removal of a "misfeature".

 

Well, I never used v3 of EAGLE, so I guess I don't know how much more

easily it handles this problem for you.

All these little additional steps add up to a significant amount of

superfluous work, which is why I still work with V3.5 wherever possible. And

I am not too happy about it.

In my case, the packages rarely have any significant correspondence, so I

am quite happy with the connect dialog.

You may be surprised - but I agree!

It takes me only a few seconds to connect up those 8 op amp pins while I

glance at the data sheet.

Be honest: at this time you already fired up the LIB editor, entered a

device, added another package, opened up the connect dialog... and you still

did nothing on the board itself!

My bottleneck is remembering how to copy other packages

into the library if they are not already present.

David was already so kind to point this out for you, it's pretty simple. But

to make this clear: of course the connect dialog is an important part of the

component management, and I am not trying to get rid of it. Point is, I do

not like to be forced into this sort of work for the straightforward

replacements, in many cases the pin numbering is perfectly identical. In

other cases you need minor individual modifications to packages, all leading

to additional package variants in V4/V5. In V3.5 you had one library for

these individual things, without the need to link those to your devices.

Picking up on David's mentioned comment with the "copy" feature in the

connect dialog (which is useful, no doubt): in most situations where one

copies the connection it would have been way easier to REPLACE the package

directly. The way it is today may appear convenient to you, but you would be

surprised how much simpler this was in the old V3.5 days!!

Maybe the new pins in the connect dialog should default to the pads that

are already defined for the part. Then you'd only have to click OK if they

match up. That would save you 2 mouse clicks per pad. I could see that if

you have a package with dozens or hundreds of pins that match up, it would

make real sense.

Again: in those cases I do not want to mess with devices and its packages, I

do not want to see a connect dialog, I do not even want to enter the library

editor. In V3.5 you picked a TSSOP14 from somewhere, clicked on your

existing SO14, and you were done. The process couldn't be any simpler or

faster, don't you think?

Again, I'll stress, my situation is the exact opposite of yours, the

packages do not correspond, so I love the connection dialog. But I

Nay, I confess it is not... In the course of this discussion only pronounced

the frequent situation where such 1:1 replacements are possible. There's no

less opportunities where you really had to add packages with different pin

assignments which definitely require one's attention through the use of the

library editor, but I think we do not need to mention this here. In these

cases the tools for this work do serve the purpose, and quite efficiently.

generally support your view, the software doesn't need to babysit or think

for  the user. Maybe I'll download 3.5 and try it! Go have a nice tea!

Do it - it's really worth experiencing it. Enjoy the weekend - with or

without tea,

T.

"Gary Gofstein" <ggofstein@lbl_nospam.gov> schrieb im Newsbeitrag

news:g2s6c4$93l$1@cheetah.cadsoft.de...

So you weren't really looking for "support" so much as you are asking for

a new feature, or more accurately the removal of a "misfeature".

 

Well, I never used v3 of EAGLE, so I guess I don't know how much more

easily it handles this problem for you.

All these little additional steps add up to a significant amount of

superfluous work, which is why I still work with V3.5 wherever possible. And

I am not too happy about it.

In my case, the packages rarely have any significant correspondence, so I

am quite happy with the connect dialog.

You may be surprised - but I agree!

It takes me only a few seconds to connect up those 8 op amp pins while I

glance at the data sheet.

Be honest: at this time you already fired up the LIB editor, entered a

device, added another package, opened up the connect dialog... and you still

did nothing on the board itself!

My bottleneck is remembering how to copy other packages

into the library if they are not already present.

David was already so kind to point this out for you, it's pretty simple. But

to make this clear: of course the connect dialog is an important part of the

component management, and I am not trying to get rid of it. Point is, I do

not like to be forced into this sort of work for the straightforward

replacements, in many cases the pin numbering is perfectly identical. In

other cases you need minor individual modifications to packages, all leading

to additional package variants in V4/V5. In V3.5 you had one library for

these individual things, without the need to link those to your devices.

Picking up on David's mentioned comment with the "copy" feature in the

connect dialog (which is useful, no doubt): in most situations where one

copies the connection it would have been way easier to REPLACE the package

directly. The way it is today may appear convenient to you, but you would be

surprised how much simpler this was in the old V3.5 days!!

Maybe the new pins in the connect dialog should default to the pads that

are already defined for the part. Then you'd only have to click OK if they

match up. That would save you 2 mouse clicks per pad. I could see that if

you have a package with dozens or hundreds of pins that match up, it would

make real sense.

Again: in those cases I do not want to mess with devices and its packages, I

do not want to see a connect dialog, I do not even want to enter the library

editor. In V3.5 you picked a TSSOP14 from somewhere, clicked on your

existing SO14, and you were done. The process couldn't be any simpler or

faster, don't you think?

Again, I'll stress, my situation is the exact opposite of yours, the

packages do not correspond, so I love the connection dialog. But I

Nay, I confess it is not... In the course of this discussion only pronounced

the frequent situation where such 1:1 replacements are possible. There's no

less opportunities where you really had to add packages with different pin

assignments which definitely require one's attention through the use of the

library editor, but I think we do not need to mention this here. In these

cases the tools for this work do serve the purpose, and quite efficiently.

generally support your view, the software doesn't need to babysit or think

for  the user. Maybe I'll download 3.5 and try it! Go have a nice tea!

Do it - it's really worth experiencing it. Enjoy the weekend - with or

without tea,

T.