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Grabbing airwires on routing

autodeskguest
autodeskguest over 9 years ago

 

There is a weakness how Eagle grabs the end of an airwire. Look at the

attached img simplified to represent a chained flyby address signal of a

ddr ram.

 

The red layer is terminated to TP1, so when I click the airwire at TP1,

I expect it to grab the green layer, but if my current active layer is

closer to the red layer, it will grab the red wire. It would perform at

best if a loose wire end took priority over a terminated end.

 

This is causing me some grief.

 

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 9 years ago

    Hi Morten,

     

    It took me a second to work out what you were getting at but once I did I

    realised I have come across this exact problem several times and it's

    really quite frustrating as it's fiddly to work around.

     

    I found I had to put in a temporary via in between the two locations I was

    trying to connect, placed directly in the path where the trace would go, to

    give the air wire somewhere else to go to and hitting ratsnest, and then

    routing from that in both directions. Then once the trace was correctly

    routed I removed the via. It's fiddly as hell and can sap time if you have

    to do this a lot (like for an entire DDR bus!).

     

    I like your suggestion of making the loose end have priority over the

    terminated end of the air wire, I think this would solve the problem but I

    am unsure if there would be any unintended consequences of this, that would

    have to be thoroughly tested I think. Maybe having a way of toggling the

    start of the route to the other end of the air wire (or scrolling through

    several if it went off in multiple directions) would be another way to do

    it.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

     

     

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    rachaelp over 9 years ago

    Hi Morten,

     

    It took me a second to work out what you were getting at but once I did I

    realised I have come across this exact problem several times and it's

    really quite frustrating as it's fiddly to work around.

     

    I found I had to put in a temporary via in between the two locations I was

    trying to connect, placed directly in the path where the trace would go, to

    give the air wire somewhere else to go to and hitting ratsnest, and then

    routing from that in both directions. Then once the trace was correctly

    routed I removed the via. It's fiddly as hell and can sap time if you have

    to do this a lot (like for an entire DDR bus!).

     

    I like your suggestion of making the loose end have priority over the

    terminated end of the air wire, I think this would solve the problem but I

    am unsure if there would be any unintended consequences of this, that would

    have to be thoroughly tested I think. Maybe having a way of toggling the

    start of the route to the other end of the air wire (or scrolling through

    several if it went off in multiple directions) would be another way to do

    it.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

     

     

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    Web access to CadSoft support forums at www.eaglecentral.ca.  Where the CadSoft EAGLE community meets.

     

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    autodeskguest over 9 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    On 17.08.2016 12:09, Rachael wrote:

    Hi Morten,

     

    It took me a second to work out what you were getting at but once I did I

    realised I have come across this exact problem several times and it's

    really quite frustrating as it's fiddly to work around.

     

    I found I had to put in a temporary via in between the two locations I was

    trying to connect, placed directly in the path where the trace would go, to

    give the air wire somewhere else to go to and hitting ratsnest, and then

    routing from that in both directions. Then once the trace was correctly

    routed I removed the via. It's fiddly as hell and can sap time if you have

    to do this a lot (like for an entire DDR bus!).

     

    I like your suggestion of making the loose end have priority over the

    terminated end of the air wire, I think this would solve the problem but I

    am unsure if there would be any unintended consequences of this, that would

    have to be thoroughly tested I think. Maybe having a way of toggling the

    start of the route to the other end of the air wire (or scrolling through

    several if it went off in multiple directions) would be another way to do

    it.

     

    Just to build the case, I just bumped into another same-issue case.. See

    attachment.

     

    I just came in with the purple wire and stopped at the point where I

    want to set via and wire back to J8 on the blue layer. Instead of the

    relative long process of clicking middle button + picking the bottom

    layer on the long 16 layer list, I stopped there, and wanted to pick up

    the airwire from J8 pad and shift click on the tip of the purple wire to

    complete the net (much easier). But instead of starting from blue layer

    pad J8, eagle started from purple layer above J8, creating a

    junction/stub on purple layer and preventing me to do what I wanted.

     

    It selected purple, because that was my current layer, and hence

    closest, not the most logical.

     

     

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    rachaelp over 9 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Morten Leikvoll wrote on Wed, 17 August 2016 13:01

    Instead of the relative long process of clicking middle button +

    picking the bottom layer on the long 16 layer list,

     

     

    Oh I long for even that option! The one downside of EAGLE on OSX is I don't

    have a middle button!.... I can see the work flow you describe being

    significantly quicker so another good reason to fix this issue.

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    autodeskguest over 9 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    On 8/17/2016 9:12 AM, Rachael wrote:

    Morten Leikvoll wrote on Wed, 17 August 2016 13:01

    Instead of the relative long process of clicking middle button +

    picking the bottom layer on the long 16 layer list,

     

    Oh I long for even that option! The one downside of EAGLE on OSX is I don't

    have a middle button!.... I can see the work flow you describe being

    significantly quicker so another good reason to fix this issue.

     

     

    Hi Morten, Rachael,

     

    Could you send me a small sample of the board, I would like to play with

    this issue a bit and be able to generate a good bug report on it.

     

    This is a corner case that doesn't pop up often, and while pictures are

    nice a file in which I can video and demonstrate the issue will make it

    clearer for the devs.

     

    Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

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    rachaelp over 9 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Hi Jorge,

     

    Yes no problem, I'll see if I can dig out a design which exhibits the

    issue, it might take me a little while so it'll be tomorrow now before I

    can get it to you. I've actually had the problem quite a few times so it's

    not uncommon for me to see this.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

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    autodeskguest over 9 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    On 17.08.2016 22:49, Jorge Garcia wrote:

    On 8/17/2016 9:12 AM, Rachael wrote:

    Morten Leikvoll wrote on Wed, 17 August 2016 13:01

    Instead of the relative long process of clicking middle button +

    picking the bottom layer on the long 16 layer list,

     

    Oh I long for even that option! The one downside of EAGLE on OSX is I

    don't

    have a middle button!.... I can see the work flow you describe being

    significantly quicker so another good reason to fix this issue.

     

     

    Hi Morten, Rachael,

     

    Could you send me a small sample of the board, I would like to play with

    this issue a bit and be able to generate a good bug report on it.

     

    This is a corner case that doesn't pop up often, and while pictures are

    nice a file in which I can video and demonstrate the issue will make it

    clearer for the devs.

     

    Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

    I will email you my OP test project right away, and add some instructions..

     

     

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    autodeskguest over 9 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    On 17.08.2016 22:49, Jorge Garcia wrote:

    On 8/17/2016 9:12 AM, Rachael wrote:

    Morten Leikvoll wrote on Wed, 17 August 2016 13:01

    Instead of the relative long process of clicking middle button +

    picking the bottom layer on the long 16 layer list,

     

    Oh I long for even that option! The one downside of EAGLE on OSX is I

    don't

    have a middle button!.... I can see the work flow you describe being

    significantly quicker so another good reason to fix this issue.

     

     

    Hi Morten, Rachael,

     

    Could you send me a small sample of the board, I would like to play with

    this issue a bit and be able to generate a good bug report on it.

     

    This is a corner case that doesn't pop up often, and while pictures are

    nice a file in which I can video and demonstrate the issue will make it

    clearer for the devs.

     

    Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

    I will email you my OP test project right away, and add some instructions..

     

     

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    autodeskguest over 9 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    On 17.08.2016 22:49, Jorge Garcia wrote:

    On 8/17/2016 9:12 AM, Rachael wrote:

    Morten Leikvoll wrote on Wed, 17 August 2016 13:01

    Instead of the relative long process of clicking middle button +

    picking the bottom layer on the long 16 layer list,

     

    Oh I long for even that option! The one downside of EAGLE on OSX is I

    don't

    have a middle button!.... I can see the work flow you describe being

    significantly quicker so another good reason to fix this issue.

     

     

    Hi Morten, Rachael,

     

    Could you send me a small sample of the board, I would like to play with

    this issue a bit and be able to generate a good bug report on it.

     

    This is a corner case that doesn't pop up often, and while pictures are

    nice a file in which I can video and demonstrate the issue will make it

    clearer for the devs.

     

    Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

    I will email you my OP test project right away, and add some instructions..

     

     

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