Is it possible to use Eagle 8 offline (not connected to internet) at all?
I just tried with the free license and it seems to require connection. How is
it with a paid subscription?
There are times when one is not connected and still would like to make some
editing, or even viewing of eagle files.
Hi Antti,
On 01/19/2017 09:12 AM, Antti Louko wrote:
Is it possible to use Eagle 8 offline (not connected to internet) at all?
I just tried with the free license and it seems to require connection. How is
it with a paid subscription?
There are times when one is not connected and still would like to make some
editing, or even viewing of eagle files.
It is required that you be online at least the first time you launch
EAGLE. At this time, enter your login details. After that, you can go
offline up to 14 days.
Best Regards,
Ed
Ed Robledo wrote on Thu, 19 January 2017 11:16
It is required that you be online at least the first time you launch
EAGLE. At this time, enter your login details. After that, you can go
offline up to 14 days.
Something is still not clear to me even after all the descriptions of how
the new license scheme will work. Jorge said something about not logging
out, which worries me. It's not clear whether the 14 day period is valid
just for one session, or is a absolute 14 days.
Let's say I have a laptop connected to the internet. I start up Eagle,
which checks into the server to verify the license. All is fine at that
point and the 14 day clock is reset to 0. Now I log out, shut down the
machine, and travel to someplace where I have no internet connection. A
day later, (one day since license check-in), I power up the laptop, log in,
and try to run Eagle. Will it run fully since there are still 13 days left
after the last check-in, or will it not run since this is a new login
session?
By the way, this is not just a hyopthetical scenario. This is exactly what
I was doing last summer. I drove from Massachusetts to Phoenix AZ and back
over 3 1/2 weeks, and did work on my laptop every day or two. Sometimes I
had a internet connection when I used the laptop, sometimes not. I spent
enough time in remote parts of various national forests in Colorado, New
Mexico, and Arizona that Eagle not working due to no internet connection
would have been a real problem.
Another real use case I have is a machine in a secure lab. One of my
customers got Eagle on my recommendation for use in a lab where data is
only allowed to go in, never out. There is a LAN inside the lab, but it is
not and never will be connected to the internet. Even flash drives that go
in aren't allowed to come out. I got Eagle in by burning the install file
onto a CD. That CD can't leave the lab, but that's OK. As far as I can
tell, your new license scheme simply won't work for this case, right?
I've recommended Eagle to quite a few customers over the years, in addition
to having three full licenses at Embed. I've invested a lot of time in
ULPs, scripts, programs to make scripts, and other external programs for
BOM, custom part number handling, and various other features. I don't
really want to start over.
However, a subscription model just isn't for me. Not only is the overall
price considerably higher now, but the real issue is the vulnerability to
down internet connection, and worse, the unpredictable policies of
AutoDesk. Basically, if I go with the subscription, then you own me. You
can decide at any time to raise the price, force use of a particular
version, or even discontinue the product altogether. That's a risk I'm
simply not willing to take, and will advise my customers not to take
either. It's just plain bad business.
What I will do, and advise my customers to do, is to stay with version 7.7
until there is some need it can't meet. I suspect it will be a long time
before there is some development in electronics that version 7.7 just can't
address, even with reasonable ULPs and additional external software. If in
the mean time, AutoDesk comes out with a acceptable license mechanism, then
I'll update at that time.
The real issue is what I'll have to recommend to new customers in the mean
time that don't already have Eagle. If you allow version 7.7 to be
purchased and licensed the same way, then I can go with that. If you take
away version 7.7 so that the only option is the new license, then I will
unfortunately have to tell new customers not to go with Eagle. I don't
know what the best alternative will be. I don't really want to learn a new
package, but I'll probably put the effort into at least looking at KiCad.
It's not something I look forward to, and I'll wait until its really
necessary, but that's the plan at this point.
--
EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.
On 23/01/2017 9:01 a.m., Olin Lathrop wrote:
Ed Robledo wrote on Thu, 19 January 2017 11:16
It is required that you be online at least the first time you launch
EAGLE. At this time, enter your login details. After that, you can go
offline up to 14 days.
.............Something is still not clear to me even after all the descriptions of how
the new license scheme will work. Jorge said something about not logging
out, which worries me. It's not clear whether the 14 day period is valid
just for one session, or is a absolute 14 days..............
Hi Olin
My thoughts:
I have reached a point where I believe that you may work offline for 14
days after being on-line.
The 14 day number has been repeated often and this is likely the true
number. What I did spot on the Autodesk website, in the same context,
was "30 days" quoted, which contradicts the 14 days. I suspect this is
an error.
What one might expect from a subscription model is that you should be
able to go off-line until the expiry date of your current payment. That
would give 30 day minimum and for buying larger lumps of time, even
longer. This would allay some of the fears people have regarding
reaching the server due to whatever reason. It gives less exposure in
any one year and more time for the recovery of that server/
infrastructure before you are compelled to access it.
It begs the question, where or what is the mechanism that stops your
local copy from working at full ability?
Say your subscription ends last day of the month. If I connect two days
before, will I be able to work locally for 14 more days effectively
having full abilities 12 days into the next month. Most likely you have
paid for the next subscription cycle so that's not a consideration but
should you have elected to stop the subscription, then this model will
give you a few more days. This model suggests your local PC does not
track the subscription but just needs to call home to get the status of
you subscription and switch between the limited free version or maintain
it at the version subscribed to.
Warren
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Am 22.01.2017 um 21:01 schrieb Olin Lathrop:
Ed Robledo wrote on Thu, 19 January 2017 11:16
It is required that you be online at least the first time you launch
EAGLE. At this time, enter your login details. After that, you can go
offline up to 14 days.
Something is still not clear to me even after all the descriptions of how
the new license scheme will work. Jorge said something about not logging
out, which worries me. It's not clear whether the 14 day period is valid
just for one session, or is a absolute 14 days.
Let's say I have a laptop connected to the internet. I start up Eagle,
which checks into the server to verify the license. All is fine at that
point and the 14 day clock is reset to 0. Now I log out, shut down the
machine, and travel to someplace where I have no internet connection. A
day later, (one day since license check-in), I power up the laptop, log in,
and try to run Eagle. Will it run fully since there are still 13 days left
after the last check-in, or will it not run since this is a new login
session?
By the way, this is not just a hyopthetical scenario. This is exactly what
I was doing last summer. I drove from Massachusetts to Phoenix AZ and back
over 3 1/2 weeks, and did work on my laptop every day or two. Sometimes I
had a internet connection when I used the laptop, sometimes not. I spent
enough time in remote parts of various national forests in Colorado, New
Mexico, and Arizona that Eagle not working due to no internet connection
would have been a real problem.
Another real use case I have is a machine in a secure lab. One of my
customers got Eagle on my recommendation for use in a lab where data is
only allowed to go in, never out. There is a LAN inside the lab, but it is
not and never will be connected to the internet. Even flash drives that go
in aren't allowed to come out. I got Eagle in by burning the install file
onto a CD. That CD can't leave the lab, but that's OK. As far as I can
tell, your new license scheme simply won't work for this case, right?
SNIP
As far as I have understood that new licensing stuff is that the
computer has to be "refuelled" every 14 days by internet connection to
the AD-server and it doesn't matter what kind of license you have, even
if it is one for a year.
Even if AD does extend the internet connection to the length of the
valid license no one can predict that it will not be changed 6 month later.
As Olin has already pointed out, if one works in a secure lab those
computers never see a internet connection.
--
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards
Joern Paschedag
On 1/22/2017 2:01 PM, Olin Lathrop wrote:
Ed Robledo wrote on Thu, 19 January 2017 11:16
It is required that you be online at least the first time you launch
EAGLE. At this time, enter your login details. After that, you can go
offline up to 14 days.
Something is still not clear to me even after all the descriptions of how
the new license scheme will work. Jorge said something about not logging
out, which worries me. It's not clear whether the 14 day period is valid
just for one session, or is a absolute 14 days.
Let's say I have a laptop connected to the internet. I start up Eagle,
which checks into the server to verify the license. All is fine at that
point and the 14 day clock is reset to 0. Now I log out, shut down the
machine, and travel to someplace where I have no internet connection. A
day later, (one day since license check-in), I power up the laptop, log in,
and try to run Eagle. Will it run fully since there are still 13 days left
after the last check-in, or will it not run since this is a new login
session?
By the way, this is not just a hyopthetical scenario. This is exactly what
I was doing last summer. I drove from Massachusetts to Phoenix AZ and back
over 3 1/2 weeks, and did work on my laptop every day or two. Sometimes I
had a internet connection when I used the laptop, sometimes not. I spent
enough time in remote parts of various national forests in Colorado, New
Mexico, and Arizona that Eagle not working due to no internet connection
would have been a real problem.
Another real use case I have is a machine in a secure lab. One of my
customers got Eagle on my recommendation for use in a lab where data is
only allowed to go in, never out. There is a LAN inside the lab, but it is
not and never will be connected to the internet. Even flash drives that go
in aren't allowed to come out. I got Eagle in by burning the install file
onto a CD. That CD can't leave the lab, but that's OK. As far as I can
tell, your new license scheme simply won't work for this case, right?
I've recommended Eagle to quite a few customers over the years, in addition
to having three full licenses at Embed. I've invested a lot of time in
ULPs, scripts, programs to make scripts, and other external programs for
BOM, custom part number handling, and various other features. I don't
really want to start over.
However, a subscription model just isn't for me. Not only is the overall
price considerably higher now, but the real issue is the vulnerability to
down internet connection, and worse, the unpredictable policies of
AutoDesk. Basically, if I go with the subscription, then you own me. You
can decide at any time to raise the price, force use of a particular
version, or even discontinue the product altogether. That's a risk I'm
simply not willing to take, and will advise my customers not to take
either. It's just plain bad business.
What I will do, and advise my customers to do, is to stay with version 7.7
until there is some need it can't meet. I suspect it will be a long time
before there is some development in electronics that version 7.7 just can't
address, even with reasonable ULPs and additional external software. If in
the mean time, AutoDesk comes out with a acceptable license mechanism, then
I'll update at that time.
The real issue is what I'll have to recommend to new customers in the mean
time that don't already have Eagle. If you allow version 7.7 to be
purchased and licensed the same way, then I can go with that. If you take
away version 7.7 so that the only option is the new license, then I will
unfortunately have to tell new customers not to go with Eagle. I don't
know what the best alternative will be. I don't really want to learn a new
package, but I'll probably put the effort into at least looking at KiCad.
It's not something I look forward to, and I'll wait until its really
necessary, but that's the plan at this point.
I agree. Between the online requirement and the new pricing model, I
will not be moving from 7.7 anytime soon. Our company currently has 3
professional licenses. $1500 per year is not going to fly. I am
currently downloading KiCad for evaluation. I tried it years ago and
didn't think it was quite up to snuff. I found this gentleman who has
already made the switch:
http://www.kaibader.de/i-made-it-i-switched-from-eagle-to-kicad-to-make-my-pcb-designs/
On 1/22/2017 2:01 PM, Olin Lathrop wrote:
Ed Robledo wrote on Thu, 19 January 2017 11:16
It is required that you be online at least the first time you launch
EAGLE. At this time, enter your login details. After that, you can go
offline up to 14 days.
Something is still not clear to me even after all the descriptions of how
the new license scheme will work. Jorge said something about not logging
out, which worries me. It's not clear whether the 14 day period is valid
just for one session, or is a absolute 14 days.
Let's say I have a laptop connected to the internet. I start up Eagle,
which checks into the server to verify the license. All is fine at that
point and the 14 day clock is reset to 0. Now I log out, shut down the
machine, and travel to someplace where I have no internet connection. A
day later, (one day since license check-in), I power up the laptop, log in,
and try to run Eagle. Will it run fully since there are still 13 days left
after the last check-in, or will it not run since this is a new login
session?
By the way, this is not just a hyopthetical scenario. This is exactly what
I was doing last summer. I drove from Massachusetts to Phoenix AZ and back
over 3 1/2 weeks, and did work on my laptop every day or two. Sometimes I
had a internet connection when I used the laptop, sometimes not. I spent
enough time in remote parts of various national forests in Colorado, New
Mexico, and Arizona that Eagle not working due to no internet connection
would have been a real problem.
Another real use case I have is a machine in a secure lab. One of my
customers got Eagle on my recommendation for use in a lab where data is
only allowed to go in, never out. There is a LAN inside the lab, but it is
not and never will be connected to the internet. Even flash drives that go
in aren't allowed to come out. I got Eagle in by burning the install file
onto a CD. That CD can't leave the lab, but that's OK. As far as I can
tell, your new license scheme simply won't work for this case, right?
I've recommended Eagle to quite a few customers over the years, in addition
to having three full licenses at Embed. I've invested a lot of time in
ULPs, scripts, programs to make scripts, and other external programs for
BOM, custom part number handling, and various other features. I don't
really want to start over.
However, a subscription model just isn't for me. Not only is the overall
price considerably higher now, but the real issue is the vulnerability to
down internet connection, and worse, the unpredictable policies of
AutoDesk. Basically, if I go with the subscription, then you own me. You
can decide at any time to raise the price, force use of a particular
version, or even discontinue the product altogether. That's a risk I'm
simply not willing to take, and will advise my customers not to take
either. It's just plain bad business.
What I will do, and advise my customers to do, is to stay with version 7.7
until there is some need it can't meet. I suspect it will be a long time
before there is some development in electronics that version 7.7 just can't
address, even with reasonable ULPs and additional external software. If in
the mean time, AutoDesk comes out with a acceptable license mechanism, then
I'll update at that time.
The real issue is what I'll have to recommend to new customers in the mean
time that don't already have Eagle. If you allow version 7.7 to be
purchased and licensed the same way, then I can go with that. If you take
away version 7.7 so that the only option is the new license, then I will
unfortunately have to tell new customers not to go with Eagle. I don't
know what the best alternative will be. I don't really want to learn a new
package, but I'll probably put the effort into at least looking at KiCad.
It's not something I look forward to, and I'll wait until its really
necessary, but that's the plan at this point.
I agree. Between the online requirement and the new pricing model, I
will not be moving from 7.7 anytime soon. Our company currently has 3
professional licenses. $1500 per year is not going to fly. I am
currently downloading KiCad for evaluation. I tried it years ago and
didn't think it was quite up to snuff. I found this gentleman who has
already made the switch:
http://www.kaibader.de/i-made-it-i-switched-from-eagle-to-kicad-to-make-my-pcb-designs/
On 1/22/2017 2:01 PM, Olin Lathrop wrote:
Ed Robledo wrote on Thu, 19 January 2017 11:16
It is required that you be online at least the first time you launch
EAGLE. At this time, enter your login details. After that, you can go
offline up to 14 days.
Something is still not clear to me even after all the descriptions of how
the new license scheme will work. Jorge said something about not logging
out, which worries me. It's not clear whether the 14 day period is valid
just for one session, or is a absolute 14 days.
Let's say I have a laptop connected to the internet. I start up Eagle,
which checks into the server to verify the license. All is fine at that
point and the 14 day clock is reset to 0. Now I log out, shut down the
machine, and travel to someplace where I have no internet connection. A
day later, (one day since license check-in), I power up the laptop, log in,
and try to run Eagle. Will it run fully since there are still 13 days left
after the last check-in, or will it not run since this is a new login
session?
By the way, this is not just a hyopthetical scenario. This is exactly what
I was doing last summer. I drove from Massachusetts to Phoenix AZ and back
over 3 1/2 weeks, and did work on my laptop every day or two. Sometimes I
had a internet connection when I used the laptop, sometimes not. I spent
enough time in remote parts of various national forests in Colorado, New
Mexico, and Arizona that Eagle not working due to no internet connection
would have been a real problem.
Another real use case I have is a machine in a secure lab. One of my
customers got Eagle on my recommendation for use in a lab where data is
only allowed to go in, never out. There is a LAN inside the lab, but it is
not and never will be connected to the internet. Even flash drives that go
in aren't allowed to come out. I got Eagle in by burning the install file
onto a CD. That CD can't leave the lab, but that's OK. As far as I can
tell, your new license scheme simply won't work for this case, right?
I've recommended Eagle to quite a few customers over the years, in addition
to having three full licenses at Embed. I've invested a lot of time in
ULPs, scripts, programs to make scripts, and other external programs for
BOM, custom part number handling, and various other features. I don't
really want to start over.
However, a subscription model just isn't for me. Not only is the overall
price considerably higher now, but the real issue is the vulnerability to
down internet connection, and worse, the unpredictable policies of
AutoDesk. Basically, if I go with the subscription, then you own me. You
can decide at any time to raise the price, force use of a particular
version, or even discontinue the product altogether. That's a risk I'm
simply not willing to take, and will advise my customers not to take
either. It's just plain bad business.
What I will do, and advise my customers to do, is to stay with version 7.7
until there is some need it can't meet. I suspect it will be a long time
before there is some development in electronics that version 7.7 just can't
address, even with reasonable ULPs and additional external software. If in
the mean time, AutoDesk comes out with a acceptable license mechanism, then
I'll update at that time.
The real issue is what I'll have to recommend to new customers in the mean
time that don't already have Eagle. If you allow version 7.7 to be
purchased and licensed the same way, then I can go with that. If you take
away version 7.7 so that the only option is the new license, then I will
unfortunately have to tell new customers not to go with Eagle. I don't
know what the best alternative will be. I don't really want to learn a new
package, but I'll probably put the effort into at least looking at KiCad.
It's not something I look forward to, and I'll wait until its really
necessary, but that's the plan at this point.
I agree. Between the online requirement and the new pricing model, I
will not be moving from 7.7 anytime soon. Our company currently has 3
professional licenses. $1500 per year is not going to fly. I am
currently downloading KiCad for evaluation. I tried it years ago and
didn't think it was quite up to snuff. I found this gentleman who has
already made the switch:
http://www.kaibader.de/i-made-it-i-switched-from-eagle-to-kicad-to-make-my-pcb-designs/
