Eagle license

Bien le bonjour!

That is the question here. I'm on Eagle 7.7, and even if I cheat a little (I have a teacher's licence), I know that I can use my schematics even a few years later. I'm interested in Eagle 8, but some people don't want to switch for the new licence system. What if you create all your work, and the you can no longer access them? The argument is currently on-going from what I can tell, people have asked to be able to at least have read-only rights on the work they have created.

The new licence is good: If you only need to create boards for 3 months, then only pay for 3 months. In the end, it saves people like me lots of money.

The new licence is bad: Some of the people here (mainly the top members) have their own company, and if they can't access what they have created for whatever reason (if ever the software company goes down, don't laugh, it has happened), then they lose their work, with potentially disastrous results.

Wait a few days, there should be more answers soon.

thierry pottier wrote:

 

it is month or year to get the last update version.

You have options of monthly, or 1, 2 or 3 years for the subscription period and the average annual cost goes down with longer subscription periods.

thierry pottier wrote:

 

ok but if you stop to paid can you use the last paid version to work after period?

No, if you stop you subscription then you will no longer have entitlement to the full capabilities of the version you paid for. I believe the software will revert to the freeware license in this situation so you will still be able to view your designs and run CAM jobs etc but you will only be able to edit within the capabilities of the freeware licence.

thierry pottier wrote:

 

Before the update was after 3 years +- and about same price but ifyou must paid every year it is expensive.

Yes, depending on how you use EAGLE and what license you had previously for some it would work out more, some less.

There are now options for monthly, or 1, 2 or 3 years. The longer the subscription you take the lower the average annual cost becomes.

There are some improvements in the licensing coming. The main one being in the next release which I believe is due out soon, the Standard edition will have it's layer count increased to 4-layers instead of just 2-layers. I think having a way to allow 6-layers would be beneficial for a lot of people.

Another improvement is that the size restriction is now based on board area rather than the fixed dimensions of 100mm x 160mm of the previous versions. This opens up the possibility of taller or wider boards so long as they still fitted within the restrictions of the overall board area.

An idea I had was the concept of "maximum routing area" in which it would be possible to trade board area for layers and vice versa. That way you could have a smaller board with more layers or a larger board with less layers so long as the total routing area stayed within the limit of the equivalent routing area of a 160cm^2 4-layer board. I don't know if there would be other implications for this though so they may need to add in additional scaling factors in the trade off between area and layers. I guess this is one to put to Autodesk and see what they think.

Best Regards,

Rachael

thierry pottier wrote:

 

ok but if you stop to paid can you use the last paid version to work after period?

No, if you stop you subscription then you will no longer have entitlement to the full capabilities of the version you paid for. I believe the software will revert to the freeware license in this situation so you will still be able to view your designs and run CAM jobs etc but you will only be able to edit within the capabilities of the freeware licence.

Hi Rachael,

wow,...

No?!!! If so, as you explained, then there will be an absolut catastrophic situation like "Tschernobyls atomic explosion" !

Then in this meaning AutoDesk says to its customers: "pay or kill your company!"

That would be a punishment of loyal customers and absolute extortion!

What I can believe is, that the license period ends and thereafter with the latest current state of the software updates that you can work with.

Yesterday i thought the same about and wanted to asking here.

Well the TO was a little bit faster writing this question.

So i hope the AutoDesk support reads this thread.

Another improvement is that the size restriction is now based on board area rather than the fixed dimensions of 100mm x 160mm of the previous versions. This opens up the possibility of taller or wider boards so long as they still fitted within the restrictions of the overall board area.

 

An idea I had was the concept of "maximum routing area" in which it would be possible to trade board area for layers and vice versa. That way you could have a smaller board with more layers or a larger board with less layers so long as the total routing area stayed within the limit of the equivalent routing area of a 160cm^2 4-layer board

 

What you here say, i hope i understand you: "Standard" ... "what is standard?"" - well...

Past since with the Eagle 6 version the standard was a PCB with dimension of 160x100 mm with up to 6 layers.

!! Now, the standard is a PCB with 160x100mm with 2 layers.

Wow, what a retrograde step!

What is the standard today in the 21. centaury? All other CAD company have other standards than Cadsoft, ähm, AutoDesk.

e.g. Target:

If you are a customer of PCB-POOL you can get Target free of cost!

https://www.pcb-pool.com/ppuk/service_downloads.html

Look there what you can do with this CAD!!! well all what can do Eagle and more - free of cost.

e.g. RS-Components DesignSpark:

https://www.rs-online.com/designspark/pcb-software

https://www.rs-online.com/designspark/mechanical-software

https://www.rs-online.com/designspark/electrical-software

Three tools absolute free of cost.

I think a little bit more would be fine. We are not hobbyists we are qualified technician.

Best Regards

Gerald

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Il 30/01/2017 13:34, James Morrison ha scritto:

Earlier licenses are perpetual licenses. You have you license file and

personal installation code and can work with it.

The only issue with your statement above is that the free version of EAGLE

doesn't allow for commercial use.

As far as I understand, he was talking about a PROFESSIONAL licence.

Because the freeware one doesn't have any installation code if I

remember correctly.

Marco

Agree with you hans,

not acceptable and must see another CAD.

started to see kiCad.

but will missing the almost 20 years with eagle, started with 3.xx on diskett.

Thierry

Is it destined for the same fate as QuickCAD?

Am 25.01.2017 um 14:12 schrieb Tilmann Reh:

rachaelp schrieb:

 

Gerald Schwarz wrote:

 

Yes, i thought too. But you cannot reroute the wires if something

was wrong on your PCB after expiring the license period.

 

This means: "close your company".

You could always get a 1 month subscription to make your updates if

you needed to make a change once you no longer needed a full time

active subscription.

 

...provided that AutoDesk still runs the license server (and you can

access it) when you need it ten years later.

 

It's the method that sucks.

I simply won't accept that, and obviously I'm not alone.

 

Tilmann

 

Right!  I will not accept this, too.

(4 licenses, starting to look for future alternatives.)

Hans

Am 25.01.2017 um 14:12 schrieb Tilmann Reh:

rachaelp schrieb:

 

Gerald Schwarz wrote:

 

Yes, i thought too. But you cannot reroute the wires if something

was wrong on your PCB after expiring the license period.

 

This means: "close your company".

You could always get a 1 month subscription to make your updates if

you needed to make a change once you no longer needed a full time

active subscription.

 

...provided that AutoDesk still runs the license server (and you can

access it) when you need it ten years later.

 

It's the method that sucks.

I simply won't accept that, and obviously I'm not alone.

 

Tilmann

 

Right!  I will not accept this, too.

(4 licenses, starting to look for future alternatives.)

Hans

Agree with you hans,

not acceptable and must see another CAD.

started to see kiCad.

but will missing the almost 20 years with eagle, started with 3.xx on diskett.

Thierry