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Can hierarchical sheets save layout time

awardautomation
awardautomation over 8 years ago

I have just read about multi-sheet design using the hierarchical approach.
This will be great for my project which involves driving 12 small dc motors with identical circuitry.

For those who are unfamiliar, basically I will have 2 a Sheet project:

  • One will be the schematic for 1 motor, with nice current limiting features etc.
  • The other will be the parent sheet, which will contain the power supply, MCU and 12 instances of the above motor sheet.

This saves me from drawing the same motor control schematic 12 times! image

Not to mention, if I want to change something later on, I only have to do it once!

 

What I want to know is: can I push this timesaving feature into my layout design?

  i.e. can I create a fully routed layout for 1 motor, and have CS automatically implement it 12 times? 

I have looked through some of the documentation but so far have not seen a way of doing this.

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  • awardautomation
    awardautomation over 8 years ago +1 verified
    I have received feedback from CS development. While the sheet entry is big time saver for schematics, there is no automatic way to propagate this through to the layout. I did find a workaround: Create…
  • jstrautman
    0 jstrautman over 8 years ago

    I was given a live demo of the full version of Altium Designer a few years back and I remember them showing us the "Snippets" feature of Designer.  This allowed you to save small sections of schematics and layouts and I believe they could be somehow linked together to allow you to then place a schematic section and the appropriate layout for that into a new design.  But I do not believe this feature is included in Circuit Studio.  I agree this would be a big time saver!

     

    I imagine someone on the forums here has found a workaround that probably isn't quite as easy as the Altium Designer method, but will probably do much the same as you are talking about.  Perhaps it is a matter of creating a small layout project and then copying from that open project into your new one???

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  • tarribred61
    0 tarribred61 over 8 years ago in reply to jstrautman

    Yes I think snippets were/are a way to do this in AD.  You can search for how to use them in the Altium Designer technical notes.  Also, in AD (as in the older Protel) you could cut and paste routing from one routed section and then easily change the net names to no name.  Then you could commit the free primitives to a new net name such as from the pads of parts.  I haven't tried this with CS yet.  What you are talking about is an advanced feature (IMHO); its just a guess, but I suspect CS has this crippled so as to get a distinction between full AD and CS.

     

    You might make a test project and try copy/paste some routing from one block to another.  I'm thinking it would result in some rule violations due to net name mismatches.  If you are lucky it might allow these to be updated to take the new net names or perhaps you can do something like select all connected copper and then update the net names.

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  • niteowl12
    0 niteowl12 over 8 years ago

    An easier option might be to make a component with a footprint that includes the layout and all the parts you want. Then just move it around and place it like you would an IC.

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  • awardautomation
    0 awardautomation over 8 years ago

    I have received feedback from CS development.

    While the sheet entry is big time saver for schematics, there is no automatic way to propagate this through to the layout.
    I did find a workaround:

    1. Create the schematic using hierarchical sheets (it sounds hard but its incredibly simple)
    2. Add only 1 instance of the sub-sheet
    3. Update your pcb document and do the layout. Make it nice and tidy, right through to silk screen layout, check for errors etc.
    4. In the schematic: Add a second instance of the sub-sheet
      • Use simple designators for the sheet instances like 1 and 2.
    5. Update the PCB.
      • This will change the names of all the components in the completed layout by appending an underscore and the sheet symbol designator you used in the schematic. eg. "R7" -> "R7_1"
      • It will also add the components represented in the 2nd instance of the sub-sheet, (with the appropriate suffix) in a straight line, off the sheet as normal. eg. "R7_2"
    6. Delete the newly added components from instance 2 - not the ones you have already laid-out!
    7. Copy and paste the nicely laid-out 1st instance, include all components, nets, vias etc.
      • When the components are pasted, the names will automatically have "_1" appended. eg. the copy of "R7_1" will be named "R7_1_1"
    8. Use the Component Links to link the unmatched schematic names to the new pcb names you copy and pasted. eg. "R7_2"  matches with "R7_1_1"
      • from PCB editor Ribbon -> Tools -> PCB Links -> Component Links
      • if you have only "designator" ticked at the bottom, they will automatically match based on the first letters. I was able to click click click them across to the matched column without changing anything.
    9. Go back to the schematic and "Update PCB document" like normal.
      • This will change the names of the pasted components (and their nets) in the PCB to reflect the names used in the schematic
    10. To add subsequent sheets, do them one at a time. You only need to repeat step 4, 7,8,9
      • Steps 5 and 6 are only necessary to force instance 1 to use the underscore-designator naming convention, so that when you come to step 8, you have only one set of components to match

     

    It seems like a lot of steps but its actually easy, and saved me a lot of time!

    When copy and pasting a selection of components:

    • Drag a selection box around what you want to copy
    • Hit ctrl-C,
    • Click somewhere in the selection where you want the origin of the copy to be (like the centre of a terminal pad or header pin that needs to be in a specific place)
    • Hit ctrl-V
    • Click somewhere in black board space where the new origin should be. The new parts will be pasted with the origin where you clicked
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  • jimku
    0 jimku over 8 years ago

    This sounds very similar to multichannel layouts. You might be interested in a Youtube  video titled "CircuitStudio - Dealing with Multichannel Layouts" by harvie256.

    Link:

    https://youtu.be/1VOOqheRauU

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