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  • Date Created: 28 Feb 2023 8:38 PM Date Created
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Compact USB-to-Banana Adapter -- my take on dougw's design

baldengineer
baldengineer
28 Feb 2023
Compact USB-to-Banana Adapter -- my take on dougw's design

Previously, dougw shared a bench power supply video where he used an adapter he made. It had 4mm banana plugs and a USB port on it. The idea was that he could connect USB devices to a bench power supply.

I loved the idea and he did a great job with it.

But I didn't like how large it seemed. Also, I wanted something that could be inserted in either orientation without blocking the controls of my supplies. After looking around for "PCB mount banana plugs," I found... well, none. There are jacks, sure. But no plugs. You're left with components designed to be attached to a cable. Then I found Ponoma makes panel mount plugs!

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So that got me thinking. If I used that type of hardware, then how would you get the USB port to be in a usable direction? (Instead of pointing up or down.) THEN, I thought: hey, I can practice making PCBs with mouse bites.

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In my design, you break off part of the PCB (left side) and then solder (to right side) at 90 degrees using the edge tabs. A Ponoma 4mm Plug  with M3 mounting hardware connects to the plated holes. And a short GCT USB-A  connector solders to the board.

The result is a very compact adapter.

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However. Do not build this one.

There are several issues with my first design.

  1. After breaking off the plug tab, I soldered it backward. So it results in the USB port's +5 and GND being backward. (Some might consider that a bad thing.)
  2. The plug-tabs are not long enough. They only solder to the top side of the USB board, meaning the solder joints act as a lever point. I should have made the plug-tabs longer so that both the top and bottom could be soldered.
  3. Some minor issues with the mouse bits I still need to resolve.

All that said, I am happy with the break-off design. It worked as I expected. Although, I still have some improvements to make there.

For the second revision, here's my plan:

  1. Add some indicators on the silk screen to clarify which side is the "top" for the USB connector.
  2. Create "slots" for the plug-tab board to "plug" into. That way, I can have four solder points on each tab (instead of 1).
  3. Thinking about a design to support supplies that have an earth ground terminal between + and -
  4. Also, considering a barrel jack version
  5. Need some 3d-printed parts (red and black) to better indicate polarity.

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Anyway, you can download the design files from here. But, as I said, do not build it yet! Hopefully, version two is a bit better. In the meantime, do you have any thoughts on what could be improved?

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  • Gough Lui
    Gough Lui over 3 years ago in reply to baldengineer

    The Staubli ones I liked are likely to be the threaded stud type -

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    SA403/SA403N are M4 threaded studs. After using quite a few, I do prefer M4 studs for mechanical strength reasons, but I design my boards with dual-footprints so I can take M3 or M4.

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    SA405/SA405N are the M3 thread version of the stud.

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    SA404/SA404N are M3 contacts which seem to be threaded internally. This means you can screw an M3 screw into the back of them. They seem to be threaded through based on the element14 image of them -

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    from https://au.element14.com/staubli/22-1054/plug-50a-gold-plated-screw/dp/1085561

    I would assume the Multicomp Pro versions (MP770525/MP770526) to be copies of the design, but there's not much information about the length of screw it will accept (i.e. is it threaded through or just part-way) as there are no end-on shots of the connector. But it will probably be a lot neater to have a screw head on the PCB rather than a long threaded bolt hanging out ...

    - Gough

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    Gough Lui over 3 years ago

    I've only just finished work and thought ...

    Why doesn't the @baldengineer just use a vertical USB-A socket and get rid of all the mouse-bite, soldering complexity. It's not going to break the bank to use something like this: https://au.element14.com/gct-global-connector-technology/usb1040-gf-l-b/usb-conn-2-0-type-a-rcpt-4p-th/dp/3873308

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    Have that vertically in-between your threaded banana contacts (https://au.element14.com/multicomp-pro/mp770525/conn-banana-plug-50a/dp/3514774) connected by an M3 screw (no idea of length - the drawing's pretty bad) or live with some "protruding" studs like you already have and you'd be as compact and cheap as can be?

    Maybe I oughta build one myself ...

    - Gough

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    baldengineer over 3 years ago in reply to Gough Lui

    How familiar are you (or anyone) with this style: https://au.element14.com/multicomp-pro/mp770525/conn-banana-plug-50a/dp/3514774

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    Looking at the Staubli products, these appear to be a screw cap? So, can I just "screw" them onto a m3 (or m4) screw??

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    baldengineer over 3 years ago in reply to shabaz

    Thanks Shabaz. I didn't want to do wires because, frankly, I didn't want to make them. I wanted something I could quickly (and reliably) solder together without too much fuss. But, I agree, it would give more flexibility, especially if you wanted to run the path through a DMM.

    I considered putting 1206 pads down and using 0-ohm resistors. But then I decided, instead, I would rather have something like your stripboard adapter closer to the DUT.

    One thought I have there is that you could then tap the voltage for supplies that do voltage compensation, and it would be a good position to tap for current measurements.

    I don't know, now I think the 0-ohm/shunt pads would be easy to add without too much hassle and wroth it. Hmm.

    It was all quite fragile so lots of epoxy glue was used.

    The trademark of a great project. Slight smile

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  • wolfgangfriedrich
    wolfgangfriedrich over 3 years ago

    Ah, the USB-A PD connector of doom. Love it.

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