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Raspberry Pi - Hardware Flaws and Fixups?

e14 Contributor
e14 Contributor over 14 years ago

Several people have commented on the hardware design of the Raspberry Pi.  Some are buried in other topics so please post your comments here.  I'll try my best to answer questions about the design decisions we made.  The Raspberry Pi is not perfect, never will be.  I've always found that perfect designs have a habit of never getting built, engineers are always a bit guilty of that, but I had Eben phoning/emailing me every day wanting to know when it would be finished.  Also, one persons perfection is another persons nightmare.

 

e14 is the home for engineers so please contribute to make Raspberry Pi better.

 

Thanks

 

Pete

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    jamodio over 14 years ago

    So I guess it is official that Pete has been abducted by some obscure organization to steal all the secrets of the Raspberry Pi ....

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    jamodio over 14 years ago

    So I guess it is official that Pete has been abducted by some obscure organization to steal all the secrets of the Raspberry Pi ....

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    morgaine over 14 years ago in reply to jamodio

    I expect he's just busy.  Norcott Technologies does a lot more than just Raspberry Pi after all.

     

    It sure was refreshing to have him here briefly for rational technical discussions though, free of Liz's personal dictatorship and vindictive bans.  I hope he returns when he has time.

     

    Morgaine.

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    e14 Contributor over 14 years ago in reply to jamodio

    Jorge,

       Pete didn't change companies, it appears he has a new title with the same

    company, as of May 2012, which is just after he was last seen here.

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    jamodio over 14 years ago in reply to e14 Contributor

    Well Pete is one of the founders at Norcott, so I guess he can pick any title that works better for him and his company.

     

    I thought that his participation on the RPF was as a volunteer.

     

    I hear you Morgaine, I read somewhere folks now calling the RPF "The Upton's Show", funny, I believe there is an actual show with that name.

     

    -J

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    e14 Contributor over 14 years ago in reply to jamodio

    'I thought that his participation on the RPF was as a volunteer."

     

    well, the RPF is a bit unusual as an organization, since as they

    often repeat, nobody has quit their day jobs.  And it seems that

    this state of affairs is intended to go on indefinitely, which is more

    than might be expected based solely on altruism.  So one might

    conclude that Pete's "volunteer" work for the foundation was actually

    sponsored by Norcott, with Norcott expecting to recoup their

    investment during the manufacturing phase.  And one might

    conclude that the "volunteer" work of the numerous Broadcom

    employees, including Eben, JamesH, Gert, and Dom,

    is sponsored by Broadcom, with the expectation that this

    investment will be recouped from sales of the SoC and

    perhaps future SoC's as well.

     

    I would guess that Eben's MBA, which concluded in May 2011

    coinciding with the Broadcom-developed alpha board, was

    probably also sponsored by Broadcom.

     

    http://www.jbs.cam.ac.uk/interactive/emba/2012/podcast_upton_raspberry.html

     

    So I would conclude that Pete's continued participation is in

    jeopardy, given that Norcott is not doing the manufacturing.

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    jamodio over 14 years ago in reply to e14 Contributor

    "the RPF is a bit unusual as an organization", I'd concur with that, and it seems that includes its dose of internal struggles

    for power and who is the face and controls the message. I remember seeing David Braben very often talking and promoting

    the idea and early designs of the R-Pi, but after the "food comentator" got in, his participation seems to have diminished.

     

    I still believe that the goal of contributing to the education of young kids and entice them into computer science and

    programming is a noble one, but centering it on the R-Pi imho is taking the wrong road, and besides whatever funds they

    can make from the hardware, without serious funding and dedicated people executing on those goals and visions would be

    most probably practically impossible. But I better don't get into this subject, I really don't like the default attitude that if

    there is something wrong with the foundation, the board or whatever, and you talk about it, what is wrong is YOU, unless

    you can prove the contrary under cross examination.

     

    I also find very hard to understand why so much secrecy and reticence around hardware development. If one makes a

    comment sometimes the answer is "well you were not here when we were talking about it....", as far as I remember I

    never seen any schematics for the previous designs, and I really thought that the R-pi was going to be like the little board

    David use to show everywhere.

     

    Oh, well, will see what happens.

    -J

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    morgaine over 14 years ago in reply to jamodio

    It may be "the Broadcom effect", as the company seems to treat openess like leprosy.  Who knows.

     

    But whatever the cause or reason, nothing the Foundation does is open to discussion, nor even open to simple comment as the bans illustrate so well.  Not even the moderation of the alleged "community forum" by non-Foundation admins is open to discussion, as they themselves have openly stated.  It's a dictatorship.

     

    That is altogether the wrong atmosphere for what is alleged to be a project with educational motivations and founded on community support.

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    e14 Contributor over 14 years ago in reply to morgaine

    "non-Foundation admins"

     

    As far as I know, all the admins are "non-Foundation admins". Liz describes herself as an RPF volunteer, which is how the other admins describe themselves.  As far as I know, she has no formal connection to the foundation except by marriage.  She was however a director/corp. secretary, and editor of Eben's prior company, Podfun, Ltd.

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    e14 Contributor over 14 years ago in reply to jamodio

    "who is the face and controls the message"

     

    RPF trustee Alan Mycroft gave a recent presentation

    that concluded with the interesting statement:

     

    "What we are lacking (and the Raspberry Pi Foundation cannot provide) is getting a coherent set of materials we can use with it to teach Computational Thinking and principled ideas from Computer Science."

     

    http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~am21/slides/CAS12.pdf

     

    Wasn't the main plan that the educational release would include

    a recommended distro with a coherent set of CS teaching materials?

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