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Role for FPGA or CPLD with Raspberry Pi

michaelkellett
michaelkellett over 13 years ago

Interesting - we obviously move in rather different circles despite being in the same business:

 

Take the current project:

 

One master processor (ARM Cortex M4 with ARM serial debugging port and 4 wire trace, Ethernet, USB and serial for debugging)

One supervisor processor (ARM Cortext M0 with ARM serial debugging port)

FPGA with JTAG port

Up to 6 slave processors (ARM Cortex M4s with ARM serial debugging ports)

All in one little box about 25cm x 160cm x 5cm

 

Now to bring up the Ethernet on the master processor I can use its serial port for "printf" error messages (from the Ethernet/TCP/IP library) and the ARM debugging port to load/run/trace the processor. The ARM trace interace box (Keil Ulink Pro) is a USB interface to the development PC.

The superivisor processor is connected via another Ulink to another PC.

The FPGA JTAG interface is USB to yet another PC.

The fourth PC runs Wiresharc and is connected by Ethernet to see what's coming out.

 

It would be nice if the debug tools had Ethernet rather than USB interfaces but they don't.

I could isolate the serial debug port but since I must have three other non-isolated connections it's not worth the effort.

 

This system is all quite low power - so certainly safe to humans and fairly safe to computers. (The really exposed parts are the debug interfaces and there is nothing to be done about that since they need fast conenctions to the hardware.)

In the last 10 years I've lost one debugger and one PC due to my mistakes and in the same time at least 10 PCs have just died (as they do) so it's a cost effective approach.

 

Of course when these things connect to external systems handling real power different rules apply.

 

(AFIK most Ethernet interfaces are not specifically tested for mains safety - either during qualification or as part of normal regular safety checks (and the flash test requirement for Ethernet magnetics is 1500V AC which is OK for some equipment but not for all)).

 

Michael Kellett

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    johnbeetem over 12 years ago

    There's a nice new write-up of Valent F(X) FPGA boards for RasPi and BeagleBone at Linux Gizmos: BeagleBone and Raspberry Pi gain FPGA add-ons.  Boards not yet available commercially, but they're considering a Kickstarter.

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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 12 years ago in reply to johnbeetem

    Very interesting.  I had a good chuckle at "LOGI-BONE SLIM" and "LOGI-BONE PHAT". :-)

     

    Care to hazard a guess at pricing?

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  • guzunty
    guzunty over 12 years ago in reply to morgaine

    I heard "$99 or less" on the grapevine.

     

    A very good price for a FPGA of this capacity, but it is quite a lot for an add-on for a $25 host, IMHO. I considered creating a Guzunty FPGA board, but decided against it for this reason. The current Guzunty is only $25 for the kit or even less if you source your own parts and build one from a bare PCB.

     

    Of course, there is no comparison from a capacity perspective. A Spartan and an XC9572XL are chalk and cheese. But for those who just want an introduction to programmable logic, I think it is going to be too big an investment for many.

     

    I'll be very interested to see how it goes, though. I wish them luck.

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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 12 years ago in reply to guzunty

    I think you're right about the questionable appropriateness of a $99 add-on board for the $35 niche, Derek.  If finances stretch that far then it doesn't really make a lot of sense to couple it with a very low-end CPU board that introduces unnecessary problems and limitations.  Sensibly, one would choose a more capable processor platform.

     

    In contrast, Guzunty Pi is an excellent match of processor and programmable logic in both capability and pricing.

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  • guzunty
    guzunty over 12 years ago in reply to morgaine

    We also considered a CPLD add on for the BBB when it was first announced.

     

    However, there we came to the conclusion that the dedicated IO processors in that product provide enough real time heavy lifting that a CPLD probably wouldn't add very much. What do you think?

     

    The much greater resources in a Spartan make it a different equation, though. I think Logi-bone may end up being a better match for the BBB.

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    johnbeetem over 12 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Morgaine Dinova wrote:

     

    Very interesting.  I had a good chuckle at "LOGI-BONE SLIM" and "LOGI-BONE PHAT". :-)

     

    Care to hazard a guess at pricing?

    I asked about Mark-1 pricing last year in this RasPi Forum thread.  Michael Jones said they were "shooting for under 100".  He didn't say whether this was GBP, USD, or Euros.

     

    Edit: For comparison, you can get a Papillio Pro with Spartan 6 LX9 for US$85 or Papillio One with Spartan 3 250E for US$38 -- very attractive.

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    johnbeetem over 12 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Morgaine Dinova wrote:

     

    Very interesting.  I had a good chuckle at "LOGI-BONE SLIM" and "LOGI-BONE PHAT". :-)

     

    Care to hazard a guess at pricing?

    I asked about Mark-1 pricing last year in this RasPi Forum thread.  Michael Jones said they were "shooting for under 100".  He didn't say whether this was GBP, USD, or Euros.

     

    Edit: For comparison, you can get a Papillio Pro with Spartan 6 LX9 for US$85 or Papillio One with Spartan 3 250E for US$38 -- very attractive.

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