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Combining BeagleBone and Raspberry Pi

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morgaine over 13 years ago

Well I finally couldn't wait any longer for an ARM Linux board (my Pi isn't due until the end of June), so I bought a BeagleBone. image

 

(This post is about technology.  I am not interested in "A is better than B" arguments.  Horses for courses.)

 

It's a very nice board, much more like an Arduino in concept than a Pi -- the two rows of female headers give it that feel.  Farnell provided their usual (in my experience so far) perfect quality of service and delivered it the very next day --- http://uk.farnell.com/circuitco/bb-bone-000/kit-dev-beaglebone-cortex-a8/dp/2063627

 

The power design is particularly noteworthy, given our recent discussions about polyfuses.  The BeagleBone uses a TPS65217B power management IC (PMIC) to generate stable supply voltages regardless of input power, which can come from a barrel connector or from the mini-USB.

 

The mini-USB itself deserves a mention, as it's impressively multi-functional.  In addition to being an alternative source of power, it provides a front-end two-port USB client-side hub --- this is entirely unrelated to the separate host-mode USB type A socket which is also available.  One port of this hub goes directly to the TI AM3359 SoC, while the other port connects to a dual-port FT2232H USB-to-serial converter to provide user-host communications (Linux console by default) and JTAG debugging simultaneously.

 

The SoC USB connection to the front-end hub works in one of two modes which can be toggled at will at any time:  it either presents the SD card as a mountable USB storage device to the host, or it provides an Ethernet-over-USB networking interface which yields an extremely simple quick-start.  (This is additional to the BeagleBone's normal 10/100 Ethernet interface, which is directly implemented in the SoC rather than hanging off USB.)  It all worked immediately using my Gentoo machine as host, providing full IPv4 and IPv6 connectivity out of the box.

 

Which brings me to BeagleBone and Raspberry Pi.  These two devices are very different, enjoying different strengths and suffering different weaknesses, and their most appropriate applications would naturally fall in different areas because of these differences.  I'm interested in how the best features of each could be combined to provide better functionality than either does alone.

 

I already have one idea in this area.

 

The BeagleBone doesn't provide an on-board graphics interface (despite its SoC containing a PowerVR GPU), and as a result, if you want direct graphics you have to buy a "DVI-D cape" containing the interface circuitry ("cape" == BeagleBone daughterboard).  The trouble is, that cape costs more than a Pi Model B!!!! imageimageimageimage

 

Which of course provides an ideal opportunity to combine BeagleBone and Pi, since the Pi could handle the graphics side while the BeagleBone does most of the computing which suits its Cortex-A8 nicely.  I'm currently thinking what the best way to achieve this might be, but one simple way is available out of the box since X11 is inherently a networked protocol.

 

This is obviously just the beginning, and I'm quite excited to see where this combination might lead. image

 

Morgaine.

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    fustini over 13 years ago

    Thanks for the perspective on the BeagleBone and, wow, that is a very interesting point about the Pi being cheaper than the DVI cape.

     

    BTW, what do you think of adding a BeagleBone group?  I've wanted to post about it before but wasn't sure what was the best fit.  Embedded Linux or Open Source Hardware are probably the closest.  I have one on the way so will be posting more, and it sounds like you have some interesting ideas, too.

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    fustini over 13 years ago

    Thanks for the perspective on the BeagleBone and, wow, that is a very interesting point about the Pi being cheaper than the DVI cape.

     

    BTW, what do you think of adding a BeagleBone group?  I've wanted to post about it before but wasn't sure what was the best fit.  Embedded Linux or Open Source Hardware are probably the closest.  I have one on the way so will be posting more, and it sounds like you have some interesting ideas, too.

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    morgaine over 13 years ago in reply to fustini

    @Drew: I don't know.  Creating per-product groups is somewhat instinctive, but part of me worries about it because so much of what we do is to combine products and interoperate between them.  That's how we achieve the best functionality.

     

    Plus, individual groups tends to feed the fanbois ... you can imagine how discussing the BeagleBone would go down on the Raspberry Pi forums.  In fact, one of the RPF admins threatened to lock a thread in which we had mentioned the Allwinner A10 .... go figure.  Fanbois live on a different planet to engineers.  And power corrupts, so when fanbois are also admins, balanced engineering discussion doesn't even get in through the door.

     

    Not an issue on Element 14, thank the FSM. image  Engineering FTW.

     

    There is also the fact that the BeagleBone community is a bit ill-disposed to new forums --- see https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/beagleboard/j_rybEhIRY8  .  I'm not too sure why, but it's probably that the community is small enough that fragmentation is actually a real issue.  Grrrr ... I wish the BeagleBone cost $35 so there would be millions of them around. image

     

    Morgaine.

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    morgaine over 13 years ago in reply to morgaine

    @Phil: Haha, a curiously informative article from NYT --- thanks! image

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    fustini over 13 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Ah, thanks for the google group tip - just signed up.  I can see your points, so I'll hold off for now.  I think I'd likely post in my blog about BeagleBone progress and discuss, when not related to the Pi at all, in Embedded Linux or Open Source Hardware

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    johnbeetem over 13 years ago in reply to fustini

    BTW, what do you think of adding a BeagleBone group?  I've wanted to post about it before but wasn't sure what was the best fit.  Embedded Linux or Open Source Hardware are probably the closest.  I have one on the way so will be posting more, and it sounds like you have some interesting ideas, too.

    I'd avoid an element14 BeagleBone group at this time... there doesn't seem to be enough of a critical mass, and Google's BeagleBoard group (which includes BeagleBone) is a good place for general Beagle questions.  I've been a member since August 2008.  Most of the software questions with BeagleBoard are also relevant to BeagleBone, and I expect a lot of members have both.

     

    I'd keep posting BeagleBone related things here with some sort of real or made-up connection to RasPi.  If somebody complains, revisit.

     

    If you're new to BeagleBone, there's an interesting and sometimes amusing thread there about competition between RasPi and Beagle: "Can TI compete with Raspberry Pi?"  Here's a link to the thread, centered at a classic joke I adapted to the RasPi availability situation.  One nasty feature of Google Groups threads: if 60 days pass without a post, the thread can no longer be updated.

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    morgaine over 13 years ago in reply to johnbeetem

    @Drew: Although my earlier suggestion was roughly in line with John's on an Element 14 BeagleBone group not being particularly useful at this time, there is a small reason pointing in the other direction too.  As I'm sure others have noticed, the BeagleBoard group and IRC channel is occasionally a bit fanboiish, although not to the level of comedy of RPF.  This sometimes makes discussions a bit tense and negative when talking about other ARM manufacturers.

     

    I rather doubt that my current interest in making the Pi handle graphics for my BeagleBone would go down very well in the official Beagle places, particularly since one vocal member there may be responsible for the DVI-D cape. image  So, an E14 BeagleBone group might at some time become useful as an alternative place with a more broadminded focus than the official places.

     

    For now though, since Pi is part of my picture, this discussion fits in perfectly right here, so I have no personal need for a separate forum at this time.  If others do, I think I'll be neutral, and happy either way.

     

     

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