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RG1 1.8v regulator

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Former Member over 13 years ago

Ok, so in a different thread I threatened to remove RG1 and do some current measurements on it's output after seeing those thermal images that show it's not generating any heat...

 

Well, I did it tonight. Some photos here: https://picasaweb.google.com/selsinork/RPi18v

 

The jumper pins in the output let me either just put a jumper on and verify the Pi boots ok, or wire a multimeter in series to get some current readings.

 

The results were interesting to say the least. I had to go back and check I was reading the multimeter correctly, that it wasn't broken etc.

 

On initial power up I see a negative current for a second or so which then reverses to about 0.5mA (yes half a milliamp, that's not a typo) for a few seconds while we get the first sd-card accesses. Once we're booted and sitting at the login prompt the current reading fluctuates from around 0.001mA to maybe 0.04mA. 

 

I'm using the 40mA range on a decent Fluke multimeter, so I've no reason to doubt the results. There's obviously going to be some inaccuracy down at that level due to length of meter leads etc, but the result is fairly clear.  You'll understand why I was checking the meter was working and I was reading it correctly though image

 

 

So from there onto the next test, lets try completely disconnecting RG1 and see if the Pi boots while using the LAN9512 1.8v 'output'.  Yes it does! 

 

I think that's reasonably good indication that jamodio got it spot on, the lan9512 shouldn't be connected to the 1.8v plane and it's heat problems are going to be largely due to supplying current on it's 1.8v filter pin that it was never designed to do.

 

So anyone willing to pull RG1 off a Pi and verify my results ?

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    johnbeetem over 13 years ago

    People have reported very different IC3 (LAN9512) temperatures at the RasPi forum, which many ascribe to uncalibrated "digital" temperature sensors and I've suggested is due to how well IC3's ground pad is soldered.  I wonder if some of this variance is caused by different RG1 threshold voltages, where some RasPis generate 1.8V using RG1 and others using IC3, depending on who manufactured RG1?

     

    Does anyone know if IC3's 1.8V is generated linearly or by a switching regulator?  If it's a switching regulator you should see ripple on a 'scope.

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    Former Member over 13 years ago in reply to johnbeetem

    John,

    > I wonder if some of this variance is caused by different RG1 threshold voltages...

     

    another possibility is some variation in the LAN chips, which have been

    seen to have different markings.  I can't decode them all, but possibly

    the last two characters, sg or tw, indicates Singapore vs. Taiwan factories.

     

    There is a list of boards and their variations here, but unfortunately there's

    no column for how hot the chips get.

     

    http://elinux.org/RaspberryPi_Boards

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    Former Member over 13 years ago in reply to Former Member

    another possibility is some variation in the LAN chips, which have been

    seen to have different markings.  I can't decode them all, but possibly

    the last two characters, sg or tw, indicates Singapore vs. Taiwan factories.

    My first board - one out of the first 2K built by the RPF - has this

     

    LAN9512-JZX

    B1134-A1B17

    8R147769B

    STA-SG

     

    runs at approx 48C give or take the variance of an MCP9803 i2c sensor stuck to the top

     

    The newer ones are as follows (all from approx the same time)

     

    B1217-A1B17

    8R150409A

    CTI-TW

     

    B1218-A1B17

    8R150419A

    CTI-TW

     

    B1218-A1B17

    8R150419A

    CTI-TW

     

    B1217-A1B17

    8R150409A

    CTI-TW

     

    B1218-A1B17

    8R150419A

    CTI-TW

     

    B1217-A1B17

    8R150409A

    CTI-TW

     

    untested for temperature so far..

     

     

    and the one I modified:

     

    B1218-A1B17

    8R150303B

    CTI-TW

     

    it appears that this one might be running slightly hotter, I've seen 50.5C on the sensor, but I can't be sure that's not down to how good the contact from sensor to chip is - I'm just taping the sensor down after all..

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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 13 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Is the LAN9512 EOL'd?  I'm a bit surprised not to find it among Farnell's SMSC LAN9xxx products.

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    Former Member over 13 years ago in reply to morgaine

    It's available from digikey, mouser, RS etc.. also no obvious indication on the SMSC page that it's EOL, datasheets updated as recently as Feb this year, so I'd be surprised if it was. 

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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 13 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Thanks. image

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    morgaine over 13 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Thanks. image

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