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RG1 1.8v regulator

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Former Member over 13 years ago

Ok, so in a different thread I threatened to remove RG1 and do some current measurements on it's output after seeing those thermal images that show it's not generating any heat...

 

Well, I did it tonight. Some photos here: https://picasaweb.google.com/selsinork/RPi18v

 

The jumper pins in the output let me either just put a jumper on and verify the Pi boots ok, or wire a multimeter in series to get some current readings.

 

The results were interesting to say the least. I had to go back and check I was reading the multimeter correctly, that it wasn't broken etc.

 

On initial power up I see a negative current for a second or so which then reverses to about 0.5mA (yes half a milliamp, that's not a typo) for a few seconds while we get the first sd-card accesses. Once we're booted and sitting at the login prompt the current reading fluctuates from around 0.001mA to maybe 0.04mA. 

 

I'm using the 40mA range on a decent Fluke multimeter, so I've no reason to doubt the results. There's obviously going to be some inaccuracy down at that level due to length of meter leads etc, but the result is fairly clear.  You'll understand why I was checking the meter was working and I was reading it correctly though image

 

 

So from there onto the next test, lets try completely disconnecting RG1 and see if the Pi boots while using the LAN9512 1.8v 'output'.  Yes it does! 

 

I think that's reasonably good indication that jamodio got it spot on, the lan9512 shouldn't be connected to the 1.8v plane and it's heat problems are going to be largely due to supplying current on it's 1.8v filter pin that it was never designed to do.

 

So anyone willing to pull RG1 off a Pi and verify my results ?

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    electron2 over 13 years ago

    As shown in Troy Mackay's post on Jul 28 it seems to me that we could mod our PI's to work more as the chips were designed.

     

    I think that this could make the PI more stable, from the looks of it.

     

    I am not a designer Just an old tech, but I think we need to find a way to FIX what we now know is an error in the board.

     

    So could someone do some practical testing to see if there is something that can be done to easly fix the current board, rather than wait for RPI foundation to fix it by waiting for a board redesign?

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    Former Member over 13 years ago in reply to electron2

    i will love to try out the hack Troy mackay has done also and then test again with that fix on the board, but i have looked into this and i most say it is very well done by Troy as i think it is to small for me todo and i done have an microscope as need for this.

     

    so yes if some one can findout where to make an cut to split the LAN9512 1v8 from the lod 1v8 then i will try this also.

     

     

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    jamodio over 13 years ago in reply to Former Member

    It would help to have a nice set of Gerber files with the current pcb layout to take a look a the traces and vias to chose what is the best course of action

    before cutting stuff.

     

    One option could be to just lift the two VDD18CORE pins, put togeher a small board that can be placed on top where the logo is with the 3.3 and 1.8

    swtiched regulators, there are some very efficient and small ones like the LMZ10501 that can handle up to 1A and includes the FET and inductor

    on the chip, add the decoupling caps for VDD18CORE on this board and run a wire to those pins. With some work you could manage to have

    through hole pads to match the pads for the existing regulators.

     

    I think there are two or three tiny ceramic caps that will get hidden under the add-on board. It may work ...

     

    My .02

    -J

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    jamodio over 13 years ago in reply to Former Member

    It would help to have a nice set of Gerber files with the current pcb layout to take a look a the traces and vias to chose what is the best course of action

    before cutting stuff.

     

    One option could be to just lift the two VDD18CORE pins, put togeher a small board that can be placed on top where the logo is with the 3.3 and 1.8

    swtiched regulators, there are some very efficient and small ones like the LMZ10501 that can handle up to 1A and includes the FET and inductor

    on the chip, add the decoupling caps for VDD18CORE on this board and run a wire to those pins. With some work you could manage to have

    through hole pads to match the pads for the existing regulators.

     

    I think there are two or three tiny ceramic caps that will get hidden under the add-on board. It may work ...

     

    My .02

    -J

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