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Where is model A if I want to buy one?

wallarug
wallarug over 13 years ago

In the question.

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    johnbeetem over 13 years ago

    Now they're saying "by Christmas": http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=19480

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    johnbeetem over 13 years ago

    Now they're saying "by Christmas": http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=19480

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    Former Member over 13 years ago in reply to johnbeetem

    John,

      In that thread, Liz wrote:

    >It requires a bit of a bump in manufacturing capacity - the same PCBs are used for both versions, so to produce any Model As we have to sacrifice some Bs at the moment, and we aren't prepared to do that while there's still a giant backlog with one distributor.

     

    I'm trying to figure out how this squares with the notion that they have licensed the RPi

    design to the distributors to manufacture and sell.  Does one distributor have to wait until

    the other is ready?

     

    It seems that the lifting of the "one per customer" limit was a similar situation, where Farnell

    was ready, but RS apparently got dragged along, and still hasn't delivered all its orders from

    before that transition on July 16.

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    johnbeetem over 13 years ago in reply to Former Member

    coder27 wrote:

     

    In that thread, Liz wrote:

    >It requires a bit of a bump in manufacturing capacity - the same PCBs are used for both versions, so to produce any Model As we have to sacrifice some Bs at the moment, and we aren't prepared to do that while there's still a giant backlog with one distributor.

     

    I'm trying to figure out how this squares with the notion that they have licensed the RPi

    design to the distributors to manufacture and sell.  Does one distributor have to wait until

    the other is ready?

    JMO/YMMV: My guess as to what liz may be saying is that while there is a large Model B backlog anywhere they'd rather not make Model As.  Here's one possible explanation: those waiting in line at RS may decide it's silly to keep waiting and decide to cancel and order from Farnell instead.  If Farnell is building Model As, then if the RS Model B backlog changes to Farnell orders then Farnell could end up with a shortage of Model Bs even though they have plenty of Model As.

     

    I think the critical factor in all of this is the BCM2835.  According to what I've heard, the BCM2835 is made to order and has a 23-week lead time.  Once you've made a Model A, it's not cost effective to convert it to a Model B, so if a distributor guesses wrong about future demand they have a big problem with a low-margin product.  You don't want to be stuck with a bunch of extra BCM2835 since they're not something you can sell to just anyone.  The RS backlog makes planning difficult.

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    Former Member over 13 years ago in reply to johnbeetem

    "they'd rather not make Model As"

     

    yes, but who is "they"?

     

    Is the RPF making the Model As?

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    johnbeetem over 13 years ago in reply to Former Member

    coder27 wrote:

     

    "they'd rather not make Model As"

     

    yes, but who is "they"?

     

    Is the RPF making the Model As?

    I assume by "we" Liz means the distributors, who in turn contract manufacturing to Sony and/or China.  I would guess it's the distributors who make the final decision.  If I were a distributor with a long queue of Model B orders I'd wait on Model A.

     

    JMO/YMMV

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    johnbeetem over 13 years ago in reply to johnbeetem

    FYI, the RasPi official website has announced First Model A samples off the line!

     

    Definitely 256MB rather than 512MB, and "significantly" lower power consumption.  Nice picture of LAN9512's ground pad connection and you can finally see the label for Ethernet connector P4.

     

    Update: This comment by liz is interesting:

    Actually, what’s happening (at least for the first while) is that the Foundation will be manufacturing them, and we’ll then be supplying RS and Farnell. They may take over the manufacture later on, but there were some chip-supply issues and a batch of memory that we ended up owning that meant this was the most sensible way to do it.

    Sounds like the Foundation got stuck with a bunch of 256MB chips during the 512MB switch-over, and perhaps other issues.  I recommend rampant speculation and conspiracy theorizing followed by fervent fanboism and name-calling image

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    morgaine over 13 years ago in reply to johnbeetem

    Even more interesting is this bit:

     

    Liz wrote:

     

    Farnell told us yesterday that they’ve shipped 429,000 so far, and I don’t have current figures for RS, but they’ll be only a little lower)

     

    So, this means that both Farnell and RS have been manufacturing boards in roughly the same quantities, which necessarily means that RS's preorder queue was significantly larger than Farnell's to start with otherwise it would have dropped to roughly the same level as Farnell's.

     

    This is very strong evidence that my guess about RS receiving many more expressions of interest during the week of launch chaos or soon after was basically correct.  Either more people had heard of RS and so clicked their link in preference, or RS's website survived the crisis period a bit more effectively, we can't tell which.  The period of queue inflation could also have happened later at "Place your order" time, perhaps they did better there.  But the reward for doing better is now to be dragged through the mud for still having long wait times when their competitor doesn't.

     

    It's also worthy of note that since RS's figures are only a little lower than Farnell's, then the often-quoted "fact" that they ordered far smaller volumes than Farnell seems to be incorrect.  Give or take the amount Liz refers to as "a little lower", their average order size has to be roughly in step with Farnell's or their totals wouldn't be similar now.

     

    I recommend rampant speculation and conspiracy theorizing

     

    Some people's theories about RS are going to have to be revised, that's for sure.  Mine are still consistent with the known facts, and increase in likelihood given this new information.  That doesn't mean they're true of course, but only that they haven't been invalidated yet by evidence.

     

    That's the scientific method for you. image

     

    Morgaine.

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  • wallarug
    wallarug over 13 years ago in reply to morgaine

    So will we see it before Christmas?  As half-promised by @Jamish.  (He didn't mention which Christmas)

     

    I read somewhere that March is the expected ship date.

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    Former Member over 13 years ago in reply to wallarug

    > (He didn't mention which Christmas)

     

    Actually he did, 2017.

    http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=14633&start=86

     

    It was Abishur who said "this Christmas", leaving "this" an unbound atom.

    http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5268&start=72

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