Banned... No good deed goes unpunished

I'm part of the group of people being banned there. Even if I admit I may have crossed the line with the people in the Foundation it always was as a defense against a treatment I didn't deserve at all.

I stated a problem I had with element14 in my country in a complete absence of information from them. I still had problems to understand what happened and why where some element14 customers asked to pay 3 months before real delivery. I spoke with lots of people in the company and nobody knew/care. So I address it in the RaspberryPi forums (where else should I have asked for help) to realize that the people behind the Foundation where more concerned about bussinnes partners than users (not customers as they treat people when they want to "take control".

The lack of maners of Liz Upton, Eben Upton, Abishur and JamesH lead me to think they may have a strange conception on how to help people. The only good thing they have made banning me it's making me interested enough to learn and make a better device / more open to learn.

José David Gea Esteban wrote:

 

I'm part of the group of people being banned there. Even if I admit I may have crossed the line with the people in the Foundation it always was as a defense against a treatment I didn't deserve at all.

 

I stated a problem I had with element14 in my country in a complete absence of information from them. I still had problems to understand what happened and why where some element14 customers asked to pay 3 months before real delivery. I spoke with lots of people in the company and nobody knew/care. So I address it in the RaspberryPi forums (where else should I have asked for help) to realize that the people behind the Foundation where more concerned about bussinnes partners than users (not customers as they treat people when they want to "take control".

 

The lack of maners of Liz Upton, Eben Upton, Abishur and JamesH lead me to think they may have a strange conception on how to help people. The only good thing they have made banning me it's making me interested enough to learn and make a better device / more open to learn.

Cobblers mate. IIRC you were really rude (yeh, I've been around a while!). You need to learn to accept when you been bad, and take the consequences. Seem odd to me there are about 10 people on here complaining about the moderators over there, and yet they have 35 thousand apparently happy customers. And the 10 complainers here were all banned for something or other. SImple statisitcs should give readers the idea of what's going on. WHich reminds me, I was gonig to email them to ask how many people have been banned from the site, just to get some idea of the percentages. Reckon that would be a fun number.

A simple way to get banned there is "concern trolling"

If you are concerned about something not working on the Pi, and if you believe it's a feature that should basically work (like usb host ports), than you will be banned as you are bad for sales.

If the foundation will be equal honest about the number of complaining customers as they are about the rest of their stuff, the numbers you will get will be as reliable as the number of votes for the president of a dictatorial banana republic.

It's not important as the boards purpose is focussed at a low cost educational tool, and learning how to troubleshoot electronics is educational 2. As most electronics are "throw away" nowadays, troubleshooting is also a dying art like programming.

I didn't think that stating something that's true to be rude. Maybe it got ruder because no answers were given to my concerns and I was been treated like a customer instead of a supporter with a (very serious to me) problem with one of their bussinnes partners. I have very a very personal opinion related to charities doing bussinnes and I just wanted to Foundation to make some movements in the charity direction (There was a valid concern in my "rude" asking). Given the fact that I didn't ewanted to be rude but just trying to express myself (with a not so high level of "english for anger situations" as it seems I needed) in a language it's not my first one... Maybe it was not so good excuse to attack me instead of tell me I was wrong on the attitude and take a look at the problem. But maybe I didn't deserve that. One bussinnes partner can be really rude with me but I can't express my concerns about what that bussinnes partner was doing using the charity...

That's an extrange way to have a relation with people with your same interests in a charity project, as I see it.

P.D.: As it seems you think I was "very rude" also I would appreciate a lot if you tell me where to improve my language skills for future anger iterations (Via personal message).

Well put Jose.

The need for me to have said anything is a sign in itself.

The issue has not been addressed even though I released code to help address the issue.

In my opinion I was not overly rude in my post. I stated simple facts such as most Linux distributions have a simple method to help new users set basic configuration items.

The simple fact of the matter the developer concerned happens to be the cheif honcho and really should know better.

The forum moderator lost the plot, destroyed any further converation and then tossed me.

I have no intention of ever communicating with developers on this level.

All this debate about who said what has little to do with what some see and understand as a cancer effecting development and uptake of the RPi.

Well put Jose.

The need for me to have said anything is a sign in itself.

The issue has not been addressed even though I released code to help address the issue.

In my opinion I was not overly rude in my post. I stated simple facts such as most Linux distributions have a simple method to help new users set basic configuration items.

The simple fact of the matter the developer concerned happens to be the cheif honcho and really should know better.

The forum moderator lost the plot, destroyed any further converation and then tossed me.

I have no intention of ever communicating with developers on this level.

All this debate about who said what has little to do with what some see and understand as a cancer effecting development and uptake of the RPi.