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Former Member over 12 years ago

Hello,

 

I'm the new one here. My name is Ulrich in the outside world I'm a communication engineer in Finland. I'm having basic knowledge of Linux from doing school assignments which was always fun. Had also an ubuntu machine ones - unfortunately I had no time to play as much with as I wanted..

 

First I have to say that I'm sorry for asking here and taking your valueable time because I know that there are thousands of people asking for the same advice every day. I'm really willing to study myself, I just would like to have some guideliness for my project since I've no experience with embedded Linux. I read the book "Embedded Linux Development Using Eclipse" which was very good to get some basic information.

 

My project is based on an AT91SAM9G20 processor which should run an Angstrom Linux. The device should work as a fieldbus (KNX) coupler. There is going to be a webserver to see status and control the device. 

The reason why I am asking here, in the Raspberry Pi forum, is that I would like to know if I could use the Raspberry Pi as development board for this project since the final board is not available yet. Of course I couldn't connect it to the KNX but I think this is only a smaller part of the project anyways since I'm going to use ready made libraries there. I would like to know if I could easily transport the code (and knowledge) from Raspberry Pi to the final board. I guess this shouldn't be a problem if I could run the same OS on both of them?.. I have to admit that I'm a little bit confused and overwhelmed with all the different Linux software/plugins/packages etc. available.

Therefore I would appreciate it a lot if I could get some guideliness, or maybe a book recommondation, or maybe somebody could give me a link to similar project -  that would be great.

 

Thank you!

Ulrich

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    morgaine over 12 years ago

    Ulrich, it's very interesting to hear that you're involved in KNX interfacing and control.  We have previously touched on fieldbus use (over in the BBB or SBC non-group), but that was for the industrial EtherCAT fieldbus which has relatively little traction compared to the more residentially oriented KNX.  Home and building automation seems very likely to bloom in the next few decades, so this is a promising topic with which to be involved.

     

    One of the benefits of KNX which promotes its success is that it allows many different  topologies and physical implementations rather than being narrowly prescriptive.  On the downside though, while KNX has registered "standards" very widely (EN 50090, EN 13321-1, ISO/IEC 14543), the organization behind KNX seems rather inimical to open source, open hardware, and even open specification, so supporting them is not very palatable nor helpful.  With enough open source interest in KNX though, perhaps their eyes can be opened a bit.  Work like yours could help there.

     

    Here's an article from a KNX conference which sounds like it might bear some relevance to your work:  "Controlling EIB/KNX devices from Linux using USB".  You haven't said to which KNX physical medium you're intending to couple, and KNX specifies all of TP, Powerline, RF, and Ethernet/IP, but they all have USB interfaces so this article is probably applicable to a wide range of KNX systems.

     

    Even better, for real code and more ideas, visit these projects:  List of KNX Open Source or free software.

     

    Regarding development platforms for this or any other work, I agree with what others have said here, that at this time, development is best done on a standard x86/amd64 Linux or *BSD box.  This will change as ARM systems get faster, gain more memory and provide better storage interfaces as standard, but right now serious development is much slower and generally less satisfactory when done natively on an ARM board.  For any non-trivial project, cross-compile on your powerful desktop to your desired ARM target.

     

    I'd love to hear more technical details about your project.  The  feedback here is likely to be more helpful the more details you supply.

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Hi,

    I'm sorry for the late reply I have been on a trip.

    Thank you for your replies.

     

    @Derek: When I was reading more about the BBB, I noticed that the issues with Angström are related to what you said (<My impression is that there will always be problems reported when people apply new hardware to their fields of interest.>). So I guess it would be ok as an development board. However, I decided to buy the evaluation board to my MCU to make it more easy to port the software to the final board later.

     

    @Morgaine: Thank you for your information! I have to tell that this is going to be a commercial project.. But since we are a small business I fully understand your difficulties with KNX - obviously there are different ideas of an "open" standard...

    My project is going to be initially TP only. Later there might be an update for Ethernet/IP. I'm going to use ready made KNX libraries for the project since it would take to much resources to implement and certify the KNX stack myself.

     

    I'm still not sure which development platform to use. Does it make sense to get an extra linux machine or would developing with PC+Eclipse+debugging on target be good enough?

     

    Have a nice day!

    Ulrich

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    jamodio over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Ulrich Steurenthaler wrote:

     

    I'm still not sure which development platform to use. Does it make sense to get an extra linux machine or would developing with PC+Eclipse+debugging on target be good enough?

     

     

    Yes

     

    -J

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    jamodio over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Ulrich Steurenthaler wrote:

     

    I'm still not sure which development platform to use. Does it make sense to get an extra linux machine or would developing with PC+Eclipse+debugging on target be good enough?

     

     

    Yes

     

    -J

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