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Pi 3 board failure?

sunnydale102
sunnydale102 over 8 years ago

I recently received a Pi 3 B. I've installed jessie and I've been running it without issues for a couple of weeks.

 

Last week I turned on the power and waited for the console output and saw nothing.

 

The red LED on the power supply monitor flashes, which I believe indicates that the power supply is low. After about 60 seconds or so of flashing the LED goes out. There is also some flashing on the green LED during this time.

 

I've probed PP35 on the 5V input and noted that the supply is indeed low, about 4.5, and declines until it drops below 3.5V at which point the red LED goes out. I've tried various alternate USB power supplies and all show identical results. No smoke, nothing feels unusually warm so there's no obvious fault.

 

Note that both the power supply and the SD card work as expected on my test Pi 1 B. I realize that the Pi 1 draws less current but it all worked fine for a couple of weeks.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Thanks

 

"Sunny"

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    0 rew over 8 years ago

    It sounds as if there is a problem in your power supply chain.


    The first option is ruled out by you trying multiple powersupplies: a bad powersupply.

     

    That, IMHO, leaves only the second one: The fuse on your pi is blown.


    The fuse is a "polyfuse" and it is supposed to be self healing. The datasheet says it should be back to its original performance a few minutes after you've shut things down, but stories go around that you may need to wait a day or two. If you want to try "now", put the pi in the fridge for  a few minutes....

     

    That said... The polyfuse is trying to tell you that the pi as a whole is using too much current.... Could it be that one of your peripherals is drawing a lot (too much?) of current? Could you remove all peripherals (do you have an HDMI->VGA adapter? They use power too!) If you need USB peripherals, use a powered hub. Power down the pi, put all peripherals in the hub and make sure they are powered. Then turn on the pi.

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    0 sunnydale102 over 8 years ago in reply to rew

    Hi Roger,

    I did not have any USB devices plugged in when the failure appeared. I've not used any USB device since I received the board. That also would also have been my first thought if I had .

     

    The only peripherals I've ever plugged in are a network cable and the Adafruit serial to USB for the Pi. Both of which work just fine my P 1B. Any screen access I do over tightvnc, everything else I use ssh.

     

    I also suspected the polyfuse so I left the board off for a day figuring that would cool things down sufficiently. No luck on that front I'm afraid.

     

    The symptoms seem strange. The voltage fluctuates between 4.8 and ~3.6 volts when plugged in. Both red and green LEDs flash during the process. The unloaded output of the supply is about 5.1 - 5.2V.

     

    Could this be a tantalum capacitor failing? I note there's a 47u cap at PP7 ( next to D7 on the "schematic") on the board side of the fuse. Whether this is a TA or not is just my speculation.

     

    Thanks for your thoughts.

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    0 rew over 8 years ago in reply to sunnydale102

    In my experience, the modern pi's continue to work down to about 3V, provided you don't have anything external connected up that requires 5V (e.g. USB stuff or HDMI converter). Even lower continues to work provided the power is well-buffered with a big capacitor. As far as I know the red light goes off completely if the power is below 4.65V nominal. If it's flashing you're seeing periods above 4.5V too.

     

    Capacitors do act as little batteries, however their capacity is really really small compared to anything you'd normally consider a battery. 47uF  will go from 5V down to 3V (below which your pi crashes anyway), at 0.5A will last almost 200 microseconds. Not something you'll be able to see with your multimeter, registering 3.6V on occasion...

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    0 rew over 8 years ago in reply to sunnydale102

    In my experience, the modern pi's continue to work down to about 3V, provided you don't have anything external connected up that requires 5V (e.g. USB stuff or HDMI converter). Even lower continues to work provided the power is well-buffered with a big capacitor. As far as I know the red light goes off completely if the power is below 4.65V nominal. If it's flashing you're seeing periods above 4.5V too.

     

    Capacitors do act as little batteries, however their capacity is really really small compared to anything you'd normally consider a battery. 47uF  will go from 5V down to 3V (below which your pi crashes anyway), at 0.5A will last almost 200 microseconds. Not something you'll be able to see with your multimeter, registering 3.6V on occasion...

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