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Closed-loop control for low-cost 3D printers

morgaine
morgaine over 11 years ago

A challenge given to Ben Heck in March of last year was "Challenge - cheap 3D printer" (design a 3D printer more cheaply), and that thread continues to receive replies to this date.  Unfortunately nobody in that thread actually addressed the matter as a design issue.  Instead, most of the replies (including from Ben) seem to have addressed an entirely different question, how to build the same kind of 3D printer as you can buy today, but for less money.

 

Those are two completely different questions.  It was pointed out by Ben that because of the race to the bottom by a huge number of manufacturers, the current designs can't be made a lot cheaper while still retaining the same speed and accuracy.  That's probably correct with respect to current standard designs, but it says nothing at all about different designs.

 

So, this thread suggests a different design approach that may offer a solution, and it's a pretty natural step to take.

 

A useful observation with which to start is that the accuracy and precision obtainable with today's RepRap-style models stems from the design of their stepper motors and the limitations inherent in screw drives and belts and pulleys and the rigidity of their physical construction.  Because of this, if you retain the existing design model but in the quest for lower cost you compromise on one of these areas, you are very likely to lose the necessary degree of printing accuracy even if you are performing steps at very high resolution, so that's not likely to be a good way forward.  Printing with high precision in the wrong place is not helpful.

 

That observation about accuracy and precision leads us directly to a solution though.  Engineers know full well how to gain high and definable accuracy without each of the components being manufactured to extreme tolerances, and that's by using closed-loop control with negative feedback, the basis of servo-systems.  In a closed-loop system, the only thing that needs to be highly accurate and with known precision is determination of current position, and the heart of that need be nothing more costly than a very accurately printed graticule which can be produced for pennies.  Given the ability to know where the operating head is located very accurately in each relevant axis (not necessarily Cartesian), the only other requirement for maintaining that limit of accuracy is rigidity of coupling between sensors and operating head, ie. the hot end in a 3D printer.  Very importantly, there is no need for rigidity in the motor assemblies --- as long as they're moving the head in the right direction, that's good enough.

 

So, I'll recast the original question differently and tie it to this specific way forward:

 

"How can we design a 3D printer based on closed-loop control to gain high accuracy and overcome low cost construction through use of negative feedback?"

 

It's mostly a matter of examining alternative physical arrangements to find one with good rigidity while also having low suspended mass and being amenable to construction with today's open-loop 3D printers as a stepping stone.  It's worth pointing out that virtually all 2D inkjet printers already use closed-loop control --- if you take one apart you'll find a positional sensor and fine graticule in there somewhere to provide very high accuracy in one dimension at the lowest cost.

 

Once we start thinking about closed-loop control for 3D printers, many possible advantages start to appear:

 

  • As already mentioned, it compensates for low-quality parts, so prices could fall much lower.
  • Closed loop operation compensates for latitude at assembly time as well, also leading to lower costs.
  • Very much higher accuracy than we have today is possible, and that cannot be done open loop.
  • Motors of many different kinds can be used, AC, DC, brushed, brushless, linear, and also steppers.
  • If steppers are used in a closed-loop system, you can overdrive them without worrying about "lost steps" because the steps aren't used for position control anyway, yet you still retain the advantage of high holding torque.
  • Much higher speeds are possible than we have today because of the two-fold advantage of wider motor choice and arbitrarily high acceleration while the control loop seeks to its desired position.
  • Accuracy and precision are more independently controllable in closed-loop systems.  This provides more opportunities for cost reduction through tradeoffs, as well as dynamic optimization in favour of speed, for example on in-fill.  In open-loop printers with stepper motors, the step size places a limit on precision of positional control, but this is very rarely reflected in the accuracy of actual positioning which is primarily determined by physical construction.

 

I'm sure there are many other benefits.

 

The main disadvantage is that this direction requires new thinking, new solutions.  And there's the challenge! image

 

Morgaine.

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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 11 years ago +3
    The topic above is deliberately open-ended and proposes nothing more than closed-loop control, hopefully to encourage people to think laterally and very widely instead of being shackled by a specific construction…
  • morgaine
    morgaine over 11 years ago in reply to Former Member +2
    I'm talking about making the work head's position be determinable to high levels of accuracy --- the distinction between accuracy and precision is important in this context, because we need to know the…
  • vsluiter
    vsluiter over 11 years ago in reply to morgaine +2
    Hi Morgaine, It's what Nanotec is already selling for industrial use: stepper motors driven as 2-phase brushless DC motors. Very nice features as high torque, high accuracy, low noise....
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    munchit1 over 9 years ago

    has this gone any further since?

     

    i've read a few bits here and there, and going beyond the name calling and IQ fights lol....here's how i see it.

     

    for 3D printing/cnc etc, your going to count clicks, be it with a wheel placed on the motor or pully, or a long strip with bars on or some version of it.  the long strip would cut out everything inbetween..pully stretch slipping etc because the ticker tape measurent is actaly at the end..

     

    stepper motor drivers would litterally run 'continuosly' as a dc motor would, perhaps the addage of fine steps being implimented on steppers for micro movements...just to complicate it lol.

     

    opto isolate any pc conections. (cuz a grand a chuck hurts) and it's all down to a software that can receive/count and correct whilste interfacing with the exsisting marlin softwares etc...e.g. an extra usb conection into the pc...lets face it, printing long strips of lines isnt really that espencive is it now...add in steps being visable verses the ticker tape count you could actualy physicaly measure and adjust the soft ware posision in real time millimeter's. e.g. ten clicks up the tape is 15.30mm...350 clicks on is 60.54mm etc etc.. i think we are actualy talking 'exactly there' then, irrelavent of belts pully ratio's alien invasions and 5k of motors.

    (haven gone into opto isolated drivers for steppers...usb hub..a few single drivers replacable and fairly cheap, the markets definatly still there eather way.)

    you all have a pc that your on the forums with....they all have a maths computer called ansi CC so can more than handle some empron and then some...du dahhh.. new market in the offering.(just a gues but china will fill the neache quite cheaply before any one else bothers chrgeing a leg and a kidney).

     

    software and 5 dollar compoinents from china....wander why it hasnt been done yet lol.

     

     

    as we know, steppers, the longer they travel the more they are out...nature of the beast isnt it. (or..reset all axis every so many layers, but the missed step still occurs).

     

     

     

     

    havent been about on the forum much, i've been on a spiritual journey, one that took me wayyy up my own behind and beyond lol and back again through all the mind binding BS lol..that and overcomplicating only to come back to the original idia that was simple....the truth is..............at what cost. the rest is hours of headache supply n demand at what price.

     

    have fun...

     

    edit, the direction detection could be done with a tine little 'arrow' on the ticker tape, the software knows where it was going...an arrow would help. then again...the clicks were counted the soft where knows where it is so correcting for direction doesnt actuly come it it??  hmmm...just a thought.(another resaon for the long tape).

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    munchit1 over 9 years ago

    has this gone any further since?

     

    i've read a few bits here and there, and going beyond the name calling and IQ fights lol....here's how i see it.

     

    for 3D printing/cnc etc, your going to count clicks, be it with a wheel placed on the motor or pully, or a long strip with bars on or some version of it.  the long strip would cut out everything inbetween..pully stretch slipping etc because the ticker tape measurent is actaly at the end..

     

    stepper motor drivers would litterally run 'continuosly' as a dc motor would, perhaps the addage of fine steps being implimented on steppers for micro movements...just to complicate it lol.

     

    opto isolate any pc conections. (cuz a grand a chuck hurts) and it's all down to a software that can receive/count and correct whilste interfacing with the exsisting marlin softwares etc...e.g. an extra usb conection into the pc...lets face it, printing long strips of lines isnt really that espencive is it now...add in steps being visable verses the ticker tape count you could actualy physicaly measure and adjust the soft ware posision in real time millimeter's. e.g. ten clicks up the tape is 15.30mm...350 clicks on is 60.54mm etc etc.. i think we are actualy talking 'exactly there' then, irrelavent of belts pully ratio's alien invasions and 5k of motors.

    (haven gone into opto isolated drivers for steppers...usb hub..a few single drivers replacable and fairly cheap, the markets definatly still there eather way.)

    you all have a pc that your on the forums with....they all have a maths computer called ansi CC so can more than handle some empron and then some...du dahhh.. new market in the offering.(just a gues but china will fill the neache quite cheaply before any one else bothers chrgeing a leg and a kidney).

     

    software and 5 dollar compoinents from china....wander why it hasnt been done yet lol.

     

     

    as we know, steppers, the longer they travel the more they are out...nature of the beast isnt it. (or..reset all axis every so many layers, but the missed step still occurs).

     

     

     

     

    havent been about on the forum much, i've been on a spiritual journey, one that took me wayyy up my own behind and beyond lol and back again through all the mind binding BS lol..that and overcomplicating only to come back to the original idia that was simple....the truth is..............at what cost. the rest is hours of headache supply n demand at what price.

     

    have fun...

     

    edit, the direction detection could be done with a tine little 'arrow' on the ticker tape, the software knows where it was going...an arrow would help. then again...the clicks were counted the soft where knows where it is so correcting for direction doesnt actuly come it it??  hmmm...just a thought.(another resaon for the long tape).

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