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Closed-loop control for low-cost 3D printers

morgaine
morgaine over 11 years ago

A challenge given to Ben Heck in March of last year was "Challenge - cheap 3D printer" (design a 3D printer more cheaply), and that thread continues to receive replies to this date.  Unfortunately nobody in that thread actually addressed the matter as a design issue.  Instead, most of the replies (including from Ben) seem to have addressed an entirely different question, how to build the same kind of 3D printer as you can buy today, but for less money.

 

Those are two completely different questions.  It was pointed out by Ben that because of the race to the bottom by a huge number of manufacturers, the current designs can't be made a lot cheaper while still retaining the same speed and accuracy.  That's probably correct with respect to current standard designs, but it says nothing at all about different designs.

 

So, this thread suggests a different design approach that may offer a solution, and it's a pretty natural step to take.

 

A useful observation with which to start is that the accuracy and precision obtainable with today's RepRap-style models stems from the design of their stepper motors and the limitations inherent in screw drives and belts and pulleys and the rigidity of their physical construction.  Because of this, if you retain the existing design model but in the quest for lower cost you compromise on one of these areas, you are very likely to lose the necessary degree of printing accuracy even if you are performing steps at very high resolution, so that's not likely to be a good way forward.  Printing with high precision in the wrong place is not helpful.

 

That observation about accuracy and precision leads us directly to a solution though.  Engineers know full well how to gain high and definable accuracy without each of the components being manufactured to extreme tolerances, and that's by using closed-loop control with negative feedback, the basis of servo-systems.  In a closed-loop system, the only thing that needs to be highly accurate and with known precision is determination of current position, and the heart of that need be nothing more costly than a very accurately printed graticule which can be produced for pennies.  Given the ability to know where the operating head is located very accurately in each relevant axis (not necessarily Cartesian), the only other requirement for maintaining that limit of accuracy is rigidity of coupling between sensors and operating head, ie. the hot end in a 3D printer.  Very importantly, there is no need for rigidity in the motor assemblies --- as long as they're moving the head in the right direction, that's good enough.

 

So, I'll recast the original question differently and tie it to this specific way forward:

 

"How can we design a 3D printer based on closed-loop control to gain high accuracy and overcome low cost construction through use of negative feedback?"

 

It's mostly a matter of examining alternative physical arrangements to find one with good rigidity while also having low suspended mass and being amenable to construction with today's open-loop 3D printers as a stepping stone.  It's worth pointing out that virtually all 2D inkjet printers already use closed-loop control --- if you take one apart you'll find a positional sensor and fine graticule in there somewhere to provide very high accuracy in one dimension at the lowest cost.

 

Once we start thinking about closed-loop control for 3D printers, many possible advantages start to appear:

 

  • As already mentioned, it compensates for low-quality parts, so prices could fall much lower.
  • Closed loop operation compensates for latitude at assembly time as well, also leading to lower costs.
  • Very much higher accuracy than we have today is possible, and that cannot be done open loop.
  • Motors of many different kinds can be used, AC, DC, brushed, brushless, linear, and also steppers.
  • If steppers are used in a closed-loop system, you can overdrive them without worrying about "lost steps" because the steps aren't used for position control anyway, yet you still retain the advantage of high holding torque.
  • Much higher speeds are possible than we have today because of the two-fold advantage of wider motor choice and arbitrarily high acceleration while the control loop seeks to its desired position.
  • Accuracy and precision are more independently controllable in closed-loop systems.  This provides more opportunities for cost reduction through tradeoffs, as well as dynamic optimization in favour of speed, for example on in-fill.  In open-loop printers with stepper motors, the step size places a limit on precision of positional control, but this is very rarely reflected in the accuracy of actual positioning which is primarily determined by physical construction.

 

I'm sure there are many other benefits.

 

The main disadvantage is that this direction requires new thinking, new solutions.  And there's the challenge! image

 

Morgaine.

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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 11 years ago +3
    The topic above is deliberately open-ended and proposes nothing more than closed-loop control, hopefully to encourage people to think laterally and very widely instead of being shackled by a specific construction…
  • morgaine
    morgaine over 11 years ago in reply to Former Member +2
    I'm talking about making the work head's position be determinable to high levels of accuracy --- the distinction between accuracy and precision is important in this context, because we need to know the…
  • vsluiter
    vsluiter over 11 years ago in reply to morgaine +2
    Hi Morgaine, It's what Nanotec is already selling for industrial use: stepper motors driven as 2-phase brushless DC motors. Very nice features as high torque, high accuracy, low noise....
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    morgaine over 11 years ago

    The topic above is deliberately open-ended and proposes nothing more than closed-loop control, hopefully to encourage people to think laterally and very widely instead of being shackled by a specific construction.  The range of possibilities is enormously varied, probably infinite.

     

    I will however express my own preferences, which are much narrower and more tightly directed.  Please don't be constrained by the following.

     

    Personally, I think closed-loop 3D printers need to head in the direction of direct drive, avoiding intermediate transmission components as much as possible.  Not only would this eliminate loss of rigidity and the severe problems of slip and play and backlash, but it would also open up the possibility of printing our own motors using pancake designs (effectively linear motors arranged in a circle).

     

    This direction is not in the slightest bit easy, but the elimination of transmission components would make this approach more viable at MEMS scales, which are on the path towards which all engineering is leading:  nanotechnology.  The machinery which builds the machinery which builds the machinery which builds the machinery ... of nanoscale systems is in our grasp right now.  It's going to be an interesting voyage.

     

    Morgaine.

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    Former Member over 11 years ago in reply to morgaine

    so your suggesting that you use servos with encoders? thats dandy and all but its much more complex to set up being that as far as i know (which is verry little i will admit) there arent any programs as side from mach3 that will read encoder data not only that but the reason most people sue steppers today is because they are much cheaper and simpler to use in simple hobbycraft

     

    if you are talking about for the wave of commercial 3d printers? well Great! i definitely see the benefit to useing encoders to determine position it will provide more accurate movement and possibly a better print quality

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    morgaine over 11 years ago in reply to Former Member

    I'm talking about making the work head's position be determinable to high levels of accuracy --- the distinction between accuracy and precision is important in this context, because we need to know the true position of the hot end when printing.  Inferring head position from the commands we've sent to the motors is absolutely not adequate --- that's open loop operation.  Whatever means are used to move the work head (it's not limited only to hot ends), the motive force should be part of a closed-loop system to reduce the error signal between where you are and where you want to be, as determined by the work head and not by the motors.

     

    There is no difference in setup complexity.  In fact closed-loop systems generally require less calibration since the whole idea is that negative feedback should compensate for the work head being in an unexpected place --- that includes being in the wrong place because of latitude at assembly time.  Good design of positional sensing corrects a huge range of cumulative errors quite automatically.

     

    Commercial servomotors containing encoders employ the same approach but are not needed here.

     

    My interest lies entirely in individual empowerment, and whether the commercial sector picks it up or not isn't particularly interesting except that it might lower the cost of components.  In the end, the future is in our own hands, regardless of where companies want to go for profit.  It's unlikely and would be surprising if the same solutions were best for both.

     

    Morgaine.

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    vsluiter over 11 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Hi Morgaine,

    It's what Nanotec is already selling for industrial use: stepper motors driven as 2-phase brushless DC motors. Very nice features as high torque, high accuracy, low noise....

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    michaelkellett over 11 years ago in reply to morgaine

    It's a lot to hope for that the open source/hardware community could easily solve problems which have been at the core of machine tool design for the last 300 years (or more). However there are some modern developments that might help a bit.

    The traditional machine tool approach relies on stiffness of the mechanical structure and this makes the design of the feed back control system much simpler - so my conventional HAAS CNC milling machine uses a cast iron framework, ball screws and positional feedback. I can (slowly) manage the same precision as the mill when doing a task under the microscope using soft biological structures, visual feed back and a lot more processing. The RepRap and all the similar machines use cheap versions of the traditional machine tool structure but without the feedback (as you mentioned in your first post).

    There are two ways you could make cheap and much more precise 3D manipulators - one is to try to reduce the cost of the traditional stiff structure and the other is to attempt a 'soft' machine with much better control systems. People have been trying the first approach for ages and I don't think you will see the cost of a machine with a 30cm cube working area drop much below a £10k - so we had better look elsewhere.

    The RepRap approach is dogged by issues with backlash, friction, steppiness of the stepper motors, frame rigidity etc etc - I'm not convinced that it's the best place to start.

    Reasearch into soft manipulators doesn't seem to have resulted in any commercial products (can anyone tell me of one - I'd like to be wrong) so I'll offer my own cheapo idea:

    How about a suspended hexapod -  I think you can design it so all 6 legs are always in tension so they can be strings wound up and let out by brushless motors - now if someone can suggest how to measure the position accurately enough you're almost there - apart from the control system.

    You might prefer hydraulic actuators (much faster, bipolar forces etc but also much more expensive). There are biological prototypes for both schemes.

     

    MK

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    shabaz over 11 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    What a great thread. Unrelated, I was recently trying to figure out how to measure across a small distance (about 10mm) and I was thinking of using a cheap micrometer end and some sort of camera measurement since they usually have their markings etched quite clearly.

    For a larger platform for a 3D printer, if the string or wire is always wound on a cylinder (like an elevator), a normal rotary encoder could be used maybe? This assumes the wire rolls flat of course and not in a bunch - no idea if that would happen :-(

    Or, replace the wire with flat metal tape of a controlled thickness - then it can roll on top of itself, and the software can compensate for the thickness as more tape is rolled up.

     

    EDIT: I think it would be worth an experiment in one dimension, if some tape could be found!

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    morgaine over 11 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Michael Kellett wrote:

     

    It's a lot to hope for that the open source/hardware community could easily solve problems which have been at the core of machine tool design for the last 300 years (or more).

     

    I'm not sure why you say it's a lot to hope for --- it's the same brains in action in both cases, and companies have a much higher hill to climb.  They have to create a design that not only works properly, but that also employs such cheap components and manufacturing techniques that the profits from sales can pay the huge expenses of company premises and equipment, the salaries of the 90% of their staff that do nothing technical, many times that to pay for the yachts and mansions of directors, not to mention corporation tax, and I've only just begun with the list.  It's a miracle that they manage to get anything to market at all, because the odds are heavily stacked against it.

     

    Individuals and communities in contrast primarily just need to think.  Think of alternative designs that accomplish their desires without needing to be viable commercial products, think how to overcome the hurdles of not having deep resources, think how to share ideas with the whole world so that different groups can reinforce each other (FOSS and OSHW are excellent examples of that) instead of acting as enemies, and think how best to harness those resources which are not in short supply, like their own manpower.

     

    Fortunately thinking is cheap, and everyone can do it.  It's curious though how many fall for the propaganda that they are valueless unless they offer their labour to corporations, at which point they are magically empowered to do great things.  Actually, no, all people can do great things, and they don't need to be serfs in a machine designed to funnel benefits to the top of the pyramid to do it.  The success of FOSS highlights this very well, so much so that the very concept of closed source software is starting to sound retro and misguided even to VCs.

     

    I certainly agree with the rest of your post.  There is nothing that we can't achieve if we don our thinking caps.

     

    Morgaine.

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    morgaine over 11 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Michael Kellett wrote:

     

    It's a lot to hope for that the open source/hardware community could easily solve problems which have been at the core of machine tool design for the last 300 years (or more).

     

    I'm not sure why you say it's a lot to hope for --- it's the same brains in action in both cases, and companies have a much higher hill to climb.  They have to create a design that not only works properly, but that also employs such cheap components and manufacturing techniques that the profits from sales can pay the huge expenses of company premises and equipment, the salaries of the 90% of their staff that do nothing technical, many times that to pay for the yachts and mansions of directors, not to mention corporation tax, and I've only just begun with the list.  It's a miracle that they manage to get anything to market at all, because the odds are heavily stacked against it.

     

    Individuals and communities in contrast primarily just need to think.  Think of alternative designs that accomplish their desires without needing to be viable commercial products, think how to overcome the hurdles of not having deep resources, think how to share ideas with the whole world so that different groups can reinforce each other (FOSS and OSHW are excellent examples of that) instead of acting as enemies, and think how best to harness those resources which are not in short supply, like their own manpower.

     

    Fortunately thinking is cheap, and everyone can do it.  It's curious though how many fall for the propaganda that they are valueless unless they offer their labour to corporations, at which point they are magically empowered to do great things.  Actually, no, all people can do great things, and they don't need to be serfs in a machine designed to funnel benefits to the top of the pyramid to do it.  The success of FOSS highlights this very well, so much so that the very concept of closed source software is starting to sound retro and misguided even to VCs.

     

    I certainly agree with the rest of your post.  There is nothing that we can't achieve if we don our thinking caps.

     

    Morgaine.

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