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HELP!!!.... Blown Electric Mistress pedal

Andy Betts
Andy Betts over 5 years ago

I have made a huge school boy error... i was looking at running my original Electric Mistress pedal for a recording I'm doing and needed to run it off an external power supply. I had a 18v supply to hand which I just needed to connect up to a DC plug so that I could power the pedal. In my haste, I accidentally connected the negative and voltage wires the wrong way round...... connected the pedal, switched on the power and I immediately heard a small pop and the smell of burning. I have blown an original 1977 Electro Harmonix Electric Mistress effects pedal worth around $500!!! however, i'm sure it's not dead yet, and it can be brought back to life... Hence this post.

 

For your reference I have attached the schematic.

 

can anyone advise the best place to start troubleshooting, I'm assuming anything on the ground side of things could have been the first thing to blow, and I'm thinking a transistor.... bearing in mind the 18v supply was connected to the ground, and the ground was connected to the voltage in. Anything can be replaced, the only issue is if the culprit ends up being the SAD1024 chip that's it... the pedal is a gonner. However I very much doubt the voltage got that far in the circuit to be honest (hopefully)

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  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 5 years ago +4
    Hi Andy, I wanted to understand the voltage regulator a little better so I built one on the bread board. My original intention was to also hook it up backwards to see how it failed. I have decided not…
  • Andy Betts
    Andy Betts over 5 years ago in reply to Andy Betts +4
    repaired... Transistor was around the wrong way
  • DAB
    DAB over 5 years ago +3
    Bad luck is a pain. I looked over your schematic and you will probably need to replace all electrolytic capacitors as they do not tolerate being hooked up wrong. If you smelled or saw smoke, you probably…
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  • Andy Betts
    Andy Betts over 5 years ago

    Ok chaps, a small update.

     

    i have now snipped the old 741 IC out of the circuit, and removed the legs form the holes. 1 of the solder pads fell off from the substrate when I was heating the solder up but fortunately it's not connected to anything, it's just there to solder 1 of the legs to for stability. All the others were OK, albeit very fragile. the new socket is now soldered in place and the UA741CP  chip is in place.

     

    I've started desoldering some of the electrolytics and have so far replaced C9, C10, C11 and C12. When i tested the old capacitors after removal they tested fine albeit out of range. C9 should be 100uf but tested at 116uf, C10 should be 10uf but measured 14uf, C11 should be 10uf but tested as 14uf and C12 should be 33uf but measured 47uf.

     

    i'm waiting on a BC309 as I haven't got one in my stock of transistors so can't fire up the pedal just yet to see if these replacements have sorted the issue.

     

    I'm hoping that the news that these electrolytics weren't blown could be a good sign that the 309  took the brunt of the charge........ any thoughts??

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 5 years ago in reply to Andy Betts

    You can measure the resistance between a V+ point and ground with your meter in Resistor mode while waiting for the transistor. With unpowered circuit. There should be no shortcut.

    Leave the probes on the circuit until you have a stable reading. It will be unstable until capacitors are charged.

     

    If you want to use diode mode of your meter: https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/366143/using-diode-mode-on-my-multimeter-to-debug-circuits-a-good-idea

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  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 5 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    I might add to Jan's comment that you can take a reading with the meter and then switch the probes and take the reading again. The pins of C-12 33uF would be a good point to get V+ and Ground. Since we are all curious post the readings that you get. The current that passed through BC309 and destroyed it had to have a path to ground. We are trying to determine if that path is still there in the form of a shorted IC.

     

    John

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  • Andy Betts
    Andy Betts over 5 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    It looks like I need a known good board to use diode mode, which I haven't got.... I will however take some measurements and post the results.

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  • Andy Betts
    Andy Betts over 5 years ago in reply to jw0752

    John, what readings would you like.... Any specific readings??

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  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 5 years ago in reply to Andy Betts

    Hi Andy,

     

    I just wanted the resistance readings across C-12, the 33 uF Cap. Since this is across the ground to power a resistance reading could tell us if you have other things that are shorted out or not. As Jan requested allow the meter to stay connected so the capacitor can charge and settle to a stable reading. It would also be advisable to switch the meter probes around and take the reading again (in the opposite polarity) once again waiting for the ohms reading to stabilize. If your circuit is working properly I would expect this reading to be above 1000 ohms.

     

    John

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  • Andy Betts
    Andy Betts over 5 years ago in reply to jw0752

    Hi john, with my DMM set to 20k, its reading approx. 1,709. If I swap the leads around it shows as out of range... to get a reading with the leads swapped i have to adjust the DMM to 200k range, then it reads 21.5

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 5 years ago in reply to Andy Betts

    Looks good.

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  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 5 years ago in reply to Andy Betts

    Jan is right. While this doesn't tell us if any of the chips are damaged OPEN at least they do not look shorted. Putting power (of the proper polarity) on the unit and seeing if it works is the next step. If it doesn't work you will have to continue replacing chips until it does.

     

    John

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  • Andy Betts
    Andy Betts over 5 years ago in reply to jw0752

    thats next on the agenda.... im now waiting for delivery of the transistor so I can replace that, then test..... i feel tempted to remove the SAD1024 chip when I test..... if any of the other chips blow I can live with that... but if that 1024 blows, its goodnight Vienna

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  • Andy Betts
    Andy Betts over 5 years ago in reply to jw0752

    thats next on the agenda.... im now waiting for delivery of the transistor so I can replace that, then test..... i feel tempted to remove the SAD1024 chip when I test..... if any of the other chips blow I can live with that... but if that 1024 blows, its goodnight Vienna

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  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 5 years ago in reply to Andy Betts

    Hi Andy,

     

    Unless it is damaged already from the reverse polarity it is very unlikely that any damage to the other chips could affect the SAD Chip. You are more likely to damage it by removing it than leaving it in the circuit.

     

    John

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  • Andy Betts
    Andy Betts over 5 years ago in reply to jw0752

    its in a socket.... so not an issue to remove  it

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