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Does any one know what this (automotive thing) is ?

michaelkellett
michaelkellett over 1 year ago

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A friend (who mends agricultural machinery) has asked me.

MKI

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  • robogary
    robogary over 1 year ago +2
    back to back schottkey diode used for voltage suppression https://www.electronicshub.org/types-of-diodes/ 12. Transient Voltage Suppression Diode In semiconductor devices, transients will occur due…
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 1 year ago in reply to shabaz +2
    Hello, It's wired across the battery supply between the alternator and the battery. The symbol is for a 14.5 V bidirectional transient suppressor (what I call a "transorb"). It makes sense. If…
  • colporteur
    colporteur over 1 year ago in reply to robogary +1
    Wow great reference link.
  • javagoza
    javagoza over 1 year ago

    No idea. Playing around, could it be some regulation for an alternator?

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 1 year ago in reply to javagoza

    Thanks - That was my first guess but I'm looking for more confidence. If it was mine I'd open it up.

    I found this by searching for "transorb symbols"

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    So my guess is that its a 14.5V transorb.

    Won't be able to tell for sure without opening it unless someone recognises it.

    MK

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  • kmikemoo
    kmikemoo over 1 year ago

    I'm going with a Transient Voltage Surge Suppressor.  Probably a Zener back-to-back with a standard diode since it's on a DC circuit.  Basically a crowbar circuit.
    We use anti-spike diodes all the time with relay coils, right?

    Varistors and MOV's are used regularly on field windings of alternators.  I think javagoza is on the right path.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient-voltage-suppression_diode#:~:text=A%20transient%2Dvoltage%2Dsuppression%20(,spikes%20induced%20on%20connected%20wires.

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  • dougw
    dougw over 1 year ago

    My first guess is its a load dump protection module. (which could be performed by a beefy transorb)  But again, this is just a guess.

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  • robogary
    robogary over 1 year ago

    back to back schottkey diode used for voltage suppression 

    https://www.electronicshub.org/types-of-diodes/

    12. Transient Voltage Suppression Diode
    In semiconductor devices, transients will occur due to the sudden change in the state voltage. They will damage the device’s output response. To overcome this problem, Voltage Suppression Diodes are used. The operation of voltage suppression diode is similar to Zener diode operation.

    The operation of these diodes is normal as p-n junction diodes but at the time of transient voltage its operation changes. In normal condition, the impedance of the diode is high. When any transient voltage occurs in the circuit, the diode enters in to the avalanche breakdown region in which a low impedance is provided.

    It is very spontaneously because the avalanche breakdown duration ranges in Pico seconds. Transient voltage suppression diode will clamp the voltage to the fixed levels, mostly its clamping voltage is in minimum range.

    These are having applications in the telecommunication fields, medical, microprocessors and signal processing. It responds to over voltages faster than Varistors or gas discharge tubes.

    The symbol for Transient voltage suppression diode is as shown below.

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  • colporteur
    colporteur over 1 year ago in reply to robogary

    Wow great reference link.

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 1 year ago

    I showed the photo to a vehicle mechanic just now (approx 30 years experience) in case he recognized it, and he's never seen such thing : (

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 1 year ago in reply to shabaz

    Hello,

    It's wired across the battery supply between the alternator and the battery.

    The symbol is for a 14.5 V bidirectional transient suppressor (what I call a "transorb").

    It makes sense.

    If the battery is accidentally disconnected from an alternator driven system then , depending on the alternator regulator you can get a big surge in the alternator voltage. (Google "load dump")

    When I designed automotive stuff we routinely fitted load dump protection, usually a unidirectional transient suppressor across the nominal 12V supply  (like a zener diode but designed for lower slope resistance and the ability to deal with large single pulses).

    I've never seen one installed in the vehicle on the wiring harness before - but this is a tractor !

    And the symbol was new to me:

    One of the symbols shown on Wiki is similar to the one on the mystery part.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient-voltage-suppression_diode

    Thanks to all who offered suggestions.

    MK

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