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Obsolescence: The problem with the problem

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Catwell over 15 years ago

I held a job at a company whose product line was designed in the late 1970s. When I came onboard there, they repeatedly told me that all the engineering, up and to that point, was just in redesigning and maintaining the legacy boards. So, for several months, that is exactly what I did for them. I spent most of my time talking to chip brokers trying to find a cache of various chips that hadn't been made in 20 years. I would spend hours searching the internet for obscure and lesser know chip houses to find parts. Sometimes I would score a huge batch of ICs, and other times I was just left feeling angry talking to shifty chip houses. I'm sure a lot of people can relate to this one. From what I understand, it's often 20% of any job.
 
So, since it's such a big part of engineering, what is the best practice in searching for obsolete parts? Are there definitive places to go, services to use, people to know?
 
Side story; I remember I found 1000, important, ICs for that company, roughly a 6 month supply. They would not buy them, why? Because they didn't want to store them. The recent "just in time inventory" strategy superseded my department. I even offered to store them all in my garage! So, they let them go. A few months later they were desperate, went back to buy them, and they were gone. The entire company went into a spiraling frenzy. They ended up paying almost the price of the final product for a single IC.
 
For the record, I ended up taking the product away from the IC and into the age of micro-controllers. I designed the software to be usable on several different uCs, longevity of the product would never be an issue again. Ultimately, a thankless gesture on my part. They downsized the entire department after I was done with the redesign. But that's just the curse of being a hapless salaryman.
 
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  • firatkocak
    firatkocak over 15 years ago in reply to enrico.migchels +1
    One more analogy from me. You have just passed through the desert. And someone else holds a cup of water in his hand. What would you do ? Would you ask so that "Sorry, are you a reliable person to give…
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    0 enrico.migchels over 15 years ago

    Hi Cabe,

     

    Obsolete components... hmmm, a nasty subject. In our line of business this will always be a 'part of the job' because when the economy is up, there is demand for new products and there are shortages everywhere. I always observe the purchaser (or buyer); as the guy is nervous,  the market is in an uplift :-)

    I try to circumvent the problem by introducing a ''second source'' partslist from the start of the project. You won't believe how the component guys are copying each other. For passive component you will find a second source for sure. If you build the second source list from the start of the project, the manufacturing site won't have to bother you. They just buy whatever is on the list. If you use strategic components you have to buy buffer stock....

     

    Best regards, Enrico Migchels

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    0 enrico.migchels over 15 years ago

    Hi Cabe,

     

    Obsolete components... hmmm, a nasty subject. In our line of business this will always be a 'part of the job' because when the economy is up, there is demand for new products and there are shortages everywhere. I always observe the purchaser (or buyer); as the guy is nervous,  the market is in an uplift :-)

    I try to circumvent the problem by introducing a ''second source'' partslist from the start of the project. You won't believe how the component guys are copying each other. For passive component you will find a second source for sure. If you build the second source list from the start of the project, the manufacturing site won't have to bother you. They just buy whatever is on the list. If you use strategic components you have to buy buffer stock....

     

    Best regards, Enrico Migchels

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