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Obsolescence: The problem with the problem

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Catwell over 15 years ago

I held a job at a company whose product line was designed in the late 1970s. When I came onboard there, they repeatedly told me that all the engineering, up and to that point, was just in redesigning and maintaining the legacy boards. So, for several months, that is exactly what I did for them. I spent most of my time talking to chip brokers trying to find a cache of various chips that hadn't been made in 20 years. I would spend hours searching the internet for obscure and lesser know chip houses to find parts. Sometimes I would score a huge batch of ICs, and other times I was just left feeling angry talking to shifty chip houses. I'm sure a lot of people can relate to this one. From what I understand, it's often 20% of any job.
 
So, since it's such a big part of engineering, what is the best practice in searching for obsolete parts? Are there definitive places to go, services to use, people to know?
 
Side story; I remember I found 1000, important, ICs for that company, roughly a 6 month supply. They would not buy them, why? Because they didn't want to store them. The recent "just in time inventory" strategy superseded my department. I even offered to store them all in my garage! So, they let them go. A few months later they were desperate, went back to buy them, and they were gone. The entire company went into a spiraling frenzy. They ended up paying almost the price of the final product for a single IC.
 
For the record, I ended up taking the product away from the IC and into the age of micro-controllers. I designed the software to be usable on several different uCs, longevity of the product would never be an issue again. Ultimately, a thankless gesture on my part. They downsized the entire department after I was done with the redesign. But that's just the curse of being a hapless salaryman.
 
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  • firatkocak
    firatkocak over 15 years ago in reply to enrico.migchels +1
    One more analogy from me. You have just passed through the desert. And someone else holds a cup of water in his hand. What would you do ? Would you ask so that "Sorry, are you a reliable person to give…
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    0 Former Member over 15 years ago

    Indeed finding reliable obsolete components has become a huge problem in recent years. There are a lot of businesses promoting their services on this subject, but the reliability of their sources and how to check they are offering reliable products is increasingly difficult.

    We have been in the industry of obsolete components for the Australian / New Zealand market ever since our inception in 1993. In those days it was easy : America & Europe = good & reliable components, China = bad components. but now things are much more complex, we are having European , Canadian, American and other companies offering bad components.

    And with the advent of various websites offering easy searching of components availability, many "new comers" fall into the trap of purchasing components from overseas, as freight costs have become so competitive.

     

    We have learnt the hard way, back in the last "shortages" in 2000, by getting components that look 100% genuine, but fail once loaded onto a board. The lesson learnt? Trust your long standing suppliers and if the price is to good to be true, it mostly is!

    For the past 5 years we have strictly followed our rule of only trusting our reputable and long standing suppliers, regardless of price. And if the customer insists the parts are available much cheaper from an unknown company to us, we inform them of the risks and all the horror stories we have heard from customers going down that path. Ask them if it was worth saving money by buying cheap components from someone overseas they have never heard of...? Also, we see how the scammers have become smarter, offering reliable products during the first transactions, to build the trust, or offering pictures of parts as proof. Getting picture of parts is a child's play with the all powerful internet... Reliable obsolete components is a huge problem and only seems to become even more problematic as it becomes easier to buy from anywhere in the world, with a couple of emails and a mouse click.

     

    What price are you happy to pay for confidence & piece of mind? I think something that gets forgotten all too often in our fast paced world of today...

     

    No more horror stories! Buy from who you know & trust!!

     

    Alain Ludva - Mondo Perth

    The obsolete & long leadtime electronics sourcing specialist

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    0 Former Member over 15 years ago

    Indeed finding reliable obsolete components has become a huge problem in recent years. There are a lot of businesses promoting their services on this subject, but the reliability of their sources and how to check they are offering reliable products is increasingly difficult.

    We have been in the industry of obsolete components for the Australian / New Zealand market ever since our inception in 1993. In those days it was easy : America & Europe = good & reliable components, China = bad components. but now things are much more complex, we are having European , Canadian, American and other companies offering bad components.

    And with the advent of various websites offering easy searching of components availability, many "new comers" fall into the trap of purchasing components from overseas, as freight costs have become so competitive.

     

    We have learnt the hard way, back in the last "shortages" in 2000, by getting components that look 100% genuine, but fail once loaded onto a board. The lesson learnt? Trust your long standing suppliers and if the price is to good to be true, it mostly is!

    For the past 5 years we have strictly followed our rule of only trusting our reputable and long standing suppliers, regardless of price. And if the customer insists the parts are available much cheaper from an unknown company to us, we inform them of the risks and all the horror stories we have heard from customers going down that path. Ask them if it was worth saving money by buying cheap components from someone overseas they have never heard of...? Also, we see how the scammers have become smarter, offering reliable products during the first transactions, to build the trust, or offering pictures of parts as proof. Getting picture of parts is a child's play with the all powerful internet... Reliable obsolete components is a huge problem and only seems to become even more problematic as it becomes easier to buy from anywhere in the world, with a couple of emails and a mouse click.

     

    What price are you happy to pay for confidence & piece of mind? I think something that gets forgotten all too often in our fast paced world of today...

     

    No more horror stories! Buy from who you know & trust!!

     

    Alain Ludva - Mondo Perth

    The obsolete & long leadtime electronics sourcing specialist

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    0 enrico.migchels over 15 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Hi Alain,

     

    What if components are no longer available and the broker on the corner is offering a batch? It is like the mouse who is very hungry, it will enter the trap... This means that there always will be business for these unreliable people. It is a shame.

     

    Best regards, Enrico Migchels

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    0 firatkocak over 15 years ago in reply to enrico.migchels

    One more analogy from me. You have just passed through the desert. And someone else holds a cup of water in his hand. What would you do ? Would you ask so that "Sorry, are you a reliable person to give me a cup of water ?" image

     

    I think, no...

     

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