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Obsolescence: The problem with the problem

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Catwell over 15 years ago

I held a job at a company whose product line was designed in the late 1970s. When I came onboard there, they repeatedly told me that all the engineering, up and to that point, was just in redesigning and maintaining the legacy boards. So, for several months, that is exactly what I did for them. I spent most of my time talking to chip brokers trying to find a cache of various chips that hadn't been made in 20 years. I would spend hours searching the internet for obscure and lesser know chip houses to find parts. Sometimes I would score a huge batch of ICs, and other times I was just left feeling angry talking to shifty chip houses. I'm sure a lot of people can relate to this one. From what I understand, it's often 20% of any job.
 
So, since it's such a big part of engineering, what is the best practice in searching for obsolete parts? Are there definitive places to go, services to use, people to know?
 
Side story; I remember I found 1000, important, ICs for that company, roughly a 6 month supply. They would not buy them, why? Because they didn't want to store them. The recent "just in time inventory" strategy superseded my department. I even offered to store them all in my garage! So, they let them go. A few months later they were desperate, went back to buy them, and they were gone. The entire company went into a spiraling frenzy. They ended up paying almost the price of the final product for a single IC.
 
For the record, I ended up taking the product away from the IC and into the age of micro-controllers. I designed the software to be usable on several different uCs, longevity of the product would never be an issue again. Ultimately, a thankless gesture on my part. They downsized the entire department after I was done with the redesign. But that's just the curse of being a hapless salaryman.
 
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  • firatkocak
    firatkocak over 15 years ago in reply to enrico.migchels +1
    One more analogy from me. You have just passed through the desert. And someone else holds a cup of water in his hand. What would you do ? Would you ask so that "Sorry, are you a reliable person to give…
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  • awinning
    0 awinning over 15 years ago

    Funnily enough I just received an offer for a free white paper on

     

    Counterfeits, Compliance and Continuity - The A&D Sustainability Paradox
    Manage through-life support and availability while controlling costs, complying with regulations and mitigating risk in the aerospace and defense supply chain

     

    Can be downloaded here if anyone is interested https://www.ess-home.com/solutions/sustainability-software.asp

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    0 awinning over 15 years ago

    Funnily enough I just received an offer for a free white paper on

     

    Counterfeits, Compliance and Continuity - The A&D Sustainability Paradox
    Manage through-life support and availability while controlling costs, complying with regulations and mitigating risk in the aerospace and defense supply chain

     

    Can be downloaded here if anyone is interested https://www.ess-home.com/solutions/sustainability-software.asp

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    0 Former Member over 15 years ago in reply to awinning

    Dear Firat & Enrico,

     

    Your analogies are nice, but not correct.

    It is very rarely the case that only 1 company worldwide is having stock (the broker community is huge, with lots of reputable companies allowing you to use professionals to look pretty much everywhere).

    And you always have an alternative, before you go for that unknown piece of cheese or glass of water, regardless of the risks.

     

    Use your trusted broker to see if they can find reliable stock. If they cannot, be smart and use some safety measures!

    We understand a product still needs to be made / serviced / mantained, but there are options:

    - use Escrow services, allowing you to inspect & test the parts BEFORE you pay

    - use testing houses (there are many reliable and affordable ones), to inspect & test the parts BEFORE you pay

     

    Yes, it will cost a bit more. Yes, it will take a bit longer.

    But it will save your reputation & your business from grave consequences!

    Not to follow safe business practices, is foolish even in desperate times!

     

    I'm a very conservative & prudent type of guy, so please: no more risks, unless you've taken some safety measures!!

     

    Alain Ludva

    Mondo Perth

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    0 Former Member over 15 years ago in reply to Former Member
    We are very proud to announce that Mondo Electronics 2000 Pty Ltd has, this week, been formally accepted into the Defence Recognised Supplier Scheme (DRSS).  The DRSS is administered by the Australian Defence Materiel Organisation.
     
    Mondo has supplied a range of electronic components, over the years, to various end-users within and subcontractors to the Australian Defence Force (ADF) and Department of Defence (DoD).  In particular, our sourcing expertise in obsolete and/or hard to find electronic components enables us to support the ADO in the critical area of obsolescence management and keeping Australia’s complex military equipment operational.
     
    To achieve DRSS recognition, Mondo has demonstrated that we meet the ADO’s very stringent standards relating to the delivery of fit-for purpose parts, on-time and on-budget. We offer the same high level of servicing to our customers outside of the defence sector.image
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