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John Wiltrout, I was remiss in under-correcting you the other day!

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D_Hersey over 11 years ago

In a thread you stated that the only way to compare two resistors was to put them in a string, put a potential across said string and measure and compare the drops of the two loads.  I won't go digging up the thread, because I am far too much of a gentleman for something as crass as that.  Please take the essence of my rendition as accurate.

 

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At the time I noted that you had overlooked the Norton alternative.  But as my head hit the pillow tonight, the ghosts of ETs past implored me in both ears:  SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET!  Our doppelgänger del Norte, JWT!  You are guilty of dissimulating John's degree of wrongness, Don!  Get up and type!

 

Consider:

 

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Imagine that the first two circuits have a dashed rectangles around them, sparing the terminals.  They are 'black boxes.'  For concreteness, let's imagine that each resistor is one ohm/Siemens.  The black boxes would measure out to be one ohm/Siemens.

Pretend that the horizontal line in the second diagram is a jumper.  How much current flows through this wire?  None, ever.  Whether the jumper is attached will be known only to the 'inside the box' community.

So, the (bipolar) ammeter in the third diagram reads zero if Ra=Rb.  Else it will indicate which resistor is larger/smaller.  Remember, the galvanic meter is highly sensitive, although passive.  This circuit arrangement is called a "Whetstone Bridge."

 

Whetstone is a place in England where people like to balance things.

 

So there we have it, friend.

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    jw0752 over 11 years ago

    Hi Don,

    I spent some time last night researching the Norton Op Amp and read up on an LM3900. This is a very interesting chip and I have put it on my list of parts to order. I look forward to mocking up some circuits to help me understand it better. Once again thank you for taking the time to educate and keep the forum stoked up.

    John

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    michaelkellett over 11 years ago in reply to jw0752

    Hello John,

     

    Did you find the original NS app note:

     

    www.ti.com/lit/an/snoa653/snoa653.pdf

     

    Actually it may not be the original.

     

    I have the NS Linear Integrated Circuits data and app notes books in hard copy from 1972. The data sheet for the LM3900 has several pages of example circuits but there is no app not for it in the 1972 book.

    I've always thought it was an interesting part but I've only seen it used once by another engineer (Ian Pullen in the Lustraphone LP101 FM Tuner audio output stages) and I've only used it once or twice myself.

     

    MK

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    jw0752 over 11 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Hi Michael,

    Thank you for the link as it is much more complete than I was able to find last night. I am learning as much as I can about unique electronic components as these are the potential building blocks for any future projects. When I find something new like this I read about it and then I try to make some test circuits to verify that I can apply what I have learned. While I do not yet have the skill to design anything sophisticated I have learned from past experience that it is a process and if I continue to keep stepping ahead my skill level will improve. I appreciate your input.

    John

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    jw0752 over 11 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Hi Michael,

    Thank you for the link as it is much more complete than I was able to find last night. I am learning as much as I can about unique electronic components as these are the potential building blocks for any future projects. When I find something new like this I read about it and then I try to make some test circuits to verify that I can apply what I have learned. While I do not yet have the skill to design anything sophisticated I have learned from past experience that it is a process and if I continue to keep stepping ahead my skill level will improve. I appreciate your input.

    John

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