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Supercapacitor Balancing Questions

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Former Member over 9 years ago

Hello,

     I have been doing some research for a couple months now on how to best balance supercapacitors in series. Now I'm just a hobbyist with only a college physics class and what I've read in my free time for an electronics background so I'm pretty limited. This in NOT a homework problem, Yay!

     The attached circuit is what I came up with for balancing. It’s basically an active Zener shunt regulator across each bank of capacitors (all 2.5V 630F parallel and series for 5V 630F total). The hope is that if the capacitors reach 2.5V (or a little less just to be safe) the Zener diodes would start conducting, opening the NPN transistors, and shunt power to the capacitors with the lower voltage or stop charging them altogether. It will be powered via USB (5V, 2.1A) and will power USB up to 1A so I think the components will have to be pretty beefy.

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     Ok for D1 I have a T6A100L 1kV 6A rectifier diode (probably overkill but it’s what I had) in series with a 18Ω, 5W resistor (R1) to limit current draw to the USB supply. For the bipolar NPN transistors Q1 and Q2, I’m thinking of using BUJ403A,127 transistors (550V, 6A, 100W) attached to heat sinks. Now for the problem(s). If I am to expect a 0.7V drop across the transistors, should I use Zener diodes with a Zener Voltage of 1.8V or 3.2V if I’m looking to limit the voltage to 2.5V. I’m also wondering if I need resistors at R2 and R3 to drop the voltage by 2.5V to make it safe for the capacitors in the other bank and pull current away from Zener diodes. If so, how would I go about determining the necessary values of R2 and R3? I included current limiting resistors R4 and R5 in series with each of the Zener diodes, but I don’t know if these are necessary or what value they should be to get the current to below 100mA. If resistors R4 and R5 are included would that change what Zener voltage I would need to use?

     I also thought about putting all of the supercaps in parallel and using a buck converter to step the voltage from 5V to around 2.4V and ditch the balancing circuitry. The problem there is that the boosting the voltage back up to 5V. I’m using an Adafruit PowerBoost 1000 Basic to provide USB out but it only is operable down to 1.8V leaving me with only 3793J of useable energy instead of 6855J with the proposed setup. As this is meant for a mobile application that’s not a great option. I also looked at using the “ALD810024 Supercapacitor Auto Balancing (SAB) MOSFET” in a parallel configuration across the capacitors. However, this system is limited to around 80mA of current through it which seems insufficient to effectively drain these supercapacitors. Also it is in a surface mount SOIC-16 Package which even with a through hole adapter would stretch my soldering abilities. I currently have 20kΩ worth of resistors in parallel with the capacitor sets, however this doesn’t balance them very well and runs them down within a few days. I also looked at putting 3 rectifier diodes in series across the terminals of the capacitors; however, this is also limited in how much current can pass through it and I don’t know if it would be sufficient since I’m pushing 10.5W into these caps with the USB charger. Hopefully I covered everything. If you want to shoot some equations my way it would be much appreciated.

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  • bnebeker
    bnebeker over 6 years ago +1 suggested
    This circuit has several issues and you have made some assumptions that are leading you in the wrong direction. The first issue is that balancing capacitors is not about switching large currents. The 80…
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    0 Former Member over 9 years ago

    I have just seen your question and I hope is not too late to answer.

    I think your circuit could work if you change the position of the resistors R2 and R3, placing them connected to the collector, instead of the emitter, of the transistors Q1 and Q2. Where these resistors are now they will increase the voltage limit that you are trying to get by the voltage drop in them. With the change that I am proposing I think that you get your intended voltage limiting function at a voltage that is equal to the zener voltage plus about 0.,6V for the base emitter drop.

    I have also been looking recently for balancing options. Your circuit with the proposed modification is, I think, a good one. With a 2.0V zener I could get a 2.6V voltage limit. The only difficulty that I see is that the required zener voltage, 2.0v, doesn't seem very common and it may be expensive or difficult to get. If you used instead an OA (Operational Amplifier) you could easily use a common voltage zener and adjust the exact voltage limit with a voltage divider (two resistors in series).

    Godd luck with your project!

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    0 Former Member over 9 years ago

    I have just seen your question and I hope is not too late to answer.

    I think your circuit could work if you change the position of the resistors R2 and R3, placing them connected to the collector, instead of the emitter, of the transistors Q1 and Q2. Where these resistors are now they will increase the voltage limit that you are trying to get by the voltage drop in them. With the change that I am proposing I think that you get your intended voltage limiting function at a voltage that is equal to the zener voltage plus about 0.,6V for the base emitter drop.

    I have also been looking recently for balancing options. Your circuit with the proposed modification is, I think, a good one. With a 2.0V zener I could get a 2.6V voltage limit. The only difficulty that I see is that the required zener voltage, 2.0v, doesn't seem very common and it may be expensive or difficult to get. If you used instead an OA (Operational Amplifier) you could easily use a common voltage zener and adjust the exact voltage limit with a voltage divider (two resistors in series).

    Godd luck with your project!

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    0 klimbo13 over 7 years ago in reply to Former Member

    In the edit window you can add a schematic or two for your options that I think would be a lot easier to follow than your sketch. It's the 7th icon counting from the left.

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