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Miller Boost Circuit Board Assembly NO. 200841

lanuser
lanuser over 6 years ago

Hello everyone,

Let me tell you small story image

While back I have purchased dead  "MIller Dynasty 200DX"

After some repairs I have found damage to Boost Board that has internal ground planes  burnedout.

I have realisedthat i would need board replacement, however, board is dicontiniued and replacement board will cost me 2000 dollars if I found one.

After fiew hundret emails  and phone calls to different suppliers without even one ansfer I have desided  recreate board from scrach and make my own.

Fiew month later after reverse engineering pcb to schematic  and later on from schematic to PCB i have finally received new boards.

I have solder necesseryparts and run test on new assembled board, however, I have forgot take a maguments from resistor R86

Could some one be so kind and provide value number between pin 2 & 3 on R86?

Here is some pictures from original board and final my creation:

 

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  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 6 years ago +3
    Hi Alex, Reverse engineering a board of this size and complexity is a monumental task. Congratulations on what you have accomplished. Sorry I don't have the information you are looking for but your work…
  • lanuser
    lanuser over 6 years ago in reply to jw0752 +3 suggested
    Josh, First of thank you for your reply. Is to easy to reverse engineering this board, however, it is time consuming a speacially when team of one working on entire project. I'm planing some changes for…
  • A3JBNE
    A3JBNE over 3 years ago +2 verified
    The value of R86 as it says in the technical manual adjusts the limit for the line current, by default it is approximately 10 ohms. R86 makes a voltage divider with R99 adjusted from 0 to 7.5V approximately…
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  • johnconnor
    0 johnconnor over 3 years ago

    Hello friend, I congratulate you on the tremendous task of doing reverse engineering to a printed circuit.

     

     

    I bought a bad Dynasty 200 machine in a mess.

    When I opened it, I found faults in the 200841 card where it has the Q3 transistor exploded, the resistance R7 charred and C5 as well.

     

     

    The transistor is a 2N3304 (I don't know if it's PNP or NPN), the C5 seems to be 1 nano Farad / 400V.

     

     

    Also the 207818H board has the R6 burst / charred resistor and the IGBT Q11 (G4PH50UD) shorted.

     

     

    If you could help me with the values of the resistors it would be great.

     

     

    Here there are many who have the original service manual with the circuit diagram but nobody helps you, finally buy it for a specific case like this but not even that. !!

     

     

    Anyway, I hope you can help me please.

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    0 A3JBNE over 3 years ago in reply to johnconnor

    (R6 = 0.27ohms 3W) (R7 = 1.5K) (C5 = 1nF) (Q3 = 2n3904 NPN) 

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    0 lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    Don't know about you, however, check ARROW I have purchased couple OEM.

    Since this part available IRG4PH50UD I have not looked for alternative, waste of time at this point.

    If I gonna search for alternative replacement for IRG4PH50UD there will be way better replacement part buy the time this part become 100% obsolete. 

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  • mb443
    0 mb443 over 3 years ago in reply to alvideo

    Idea of aluminum PCB sounds ideal for this application!  And standalone bridge is also makes more sense.

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    0 mb443 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

     I can try to test my PM which is in "Unknown" condition, tomorrow, hope at least one IGBT is there alive. You may need to give me small direction on what need to be tested.  Can try to measure gate - emitter capacitance. Will wait for directions...

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  • lanuser
    0 lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to mb443

    Good idea for production but not cost effective for small quantity, there also space between radiator and Main Power Distribution Board, therefore I have a question:

    To avoid soldering any wires between boards how can we mate new w/old board?

    Jumping ahead of our self. )

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  • alvideo
    0 alvideo over 3 years ago in reply to guillermo
    guillermo said:
    IRG4PH50UD

    i replaced with IRG7PH42UD about 2 years ago. Machine still working. 

     

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    0 lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to alvideo

    Thank you for the update.

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    0 mb443 over 3 years ago in reply to guillermo

    @lanuser I tested my PM and it turned out to be both IGBTs are dead, so now I'm more than interested to either replace burned IGBTs inside of the PM if that's kind of repair is doable at all or implement as external version based on @alvideo schema of the power module. Anybody any updates?

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  • lanuser
    0 lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to mb443

    As of now this project needs New Topic.

    Become a mess for topic: Miller Boost Circuit Board Assembly NO. 200841

    This should only discuss Boost Circuit Board and NOT entire DX200 Slight smile

    @mb443 Start new topic some like: Miller Dx200 IGBT project, I will follow.

     

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    0 lanuser over 3 years ago in reply to mb443

    By any chance, does anyone here has a schematic for foot pedal control?

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  • mb443
    0 mb443 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    @lanuser sure, I opened a new discussion: "Miller DX200 Welder Power Module SEMIKRON SkiiP 33NEC125T2

     community.element14.com/.../197337

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    0 mb443 over 3 years ago in reply to lanuser

    @lanuser sure, I opened a new discussion: "Miller DX200 Welder Power Module SEMIKRON SkiiP 33NEC125T2

     community.element14.com/.../197337

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