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Experiment 11 in Make: Electronics (2nd edition)

os·cil·la·tor
os·cil·la·tor over 8 years ago

Hello,

 

I am having difficulty with Experiment 11 in the second edition of Make: Electronics.

 

Specifically I am having trouble figuring out where to connect the components in Figure 2-118 to the breadboard.  They are meant to replace the 4 color components at the lower right of Figure 2-116 / 2-117. 

 

I am able to generate sound by guessing where to connect the speaker, 100uF capacitor, and 1K resistor, but the capacitor and resistor have no bearing on the sound..... it makes the buzz whether those components are attached or not.  Also, replacing the 100uF capacitor with a 1uF capacitor as the upper portion of Figure 2-119 instructs does not change the character of the sound, so clearly I am not putting things in their proper places.

 

Obviously this is an issue of being able to translate schematics to functional design, but as a complete beginner on page 96 of an introductory electronics book, I find this very difficult.

 

Could someone please help me figure out Figure 2-118?   I also foresee difficulty with the lower portion of Figure 2-119.

 

Thank you for your assistance!

 

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  • jc2048
    jc2048 over 8 years ago +3 verified
    Here are possible layouts for the first circuit with a speaker and then the third one with the bypass capacitor. I'm assuming you can manage the second one where you just substitute a 1uF cap for the 100uF…
  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 8 years ago in reply to jc2048 +2 suggested
    The book says "Speaker (small)" which is not very helpful, however the kit option would appear to include a "Small 8-ohm loudspeaker". http://www.plattkits.com/kits/ Does the book give you a specification…
  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 8 years ago +1
    Hi, You are doing OK. The layout in 2-120 is exactly what is being called for in figure 2-119. I drew it out on a piece of paper but what I drew is the same as figure 2-120. Keep in mind that the 2 vertical…
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    0 jw0752 over 8 years ago

    Hi,

     

    You are doing OK. The layout in 2-120 is exactly what is being called for in figure 2-119. I drew it out on a piece of paper but what I drew is the same as figure 2-120.

     

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    Keep in mind that the 2 vertical lines of holes associated with the red and blue lines are all connected together and the horizontal groups of five holes on either side of the middle grove are also hooked together. They serve as wires with multiple connection points. Compare my drawing to the figure 2-120 and see if you can see how they are really equivalent. Getting comfortable with the new protocols of a new course of study is always a challenge but also worth it. The book you are using to learn is an excellent one. Keep up the good work.

     

    John

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    0 jc2048 over 8 years ago in reply to jw0752

    I don't think it is the same. The capacitor + needs to go to the emitter, not the ground end of the resistor.

     

    Having said that, some additional resistance in series with the speaker would be a good idea - at the moment the dissipation is high, even with a 32 or 40 ohm speaker (if it's running from 9V or something of that order). With an 8 ohm speaker it would probably damage the output transistor.

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    0 jw0752 over 8 years ago in reply to jc2048

    Hi Jon,

     

    I think you are absolutely correct. (Senior Moment). Please disregard my previous post s it was wrong.

     

    John

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    0 jc2048 over 8 years ago in reply to jw0752

    Don't worry - I once made a mistake, too. [Now I'm trying to think who it was I stole that joke from...]

     

    I'm partly wrong as well. I assumed that an 8 ohm speaker would be too much of a load for the emitter-follower but, if you look in detail at what the circuit does, it ends up with a fair bit of voltage being dropped by the coupling capacitor and a 2N2222A would probably just about manage because it's got quite a good collector current rating.

     

    If you simulate it, you'll see it's a horrible way to drive a speaker. You can immediately understand why they quickly went to push-pull output stages on the early transistor radios.

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    0 jc2048 over 8 years ago

    Here are possible layouts for the first circuit with a speaker and then the third one with the bypass capacitor. I'm assuming you can manage the second one where you just substitute a 1uF cap for the 100uF one. You need to make sure you get the capacitors the right way round (normally the negative lead is marked on the body of the component, not the positive which you might expect) - I don't know if the book has explained, but if you get a large voltage the wrong way across an electrolytic capacitor it will rupture.

     

    That immediately then raises a question mark over the 33uF capacitor and what the author intended, since it will have a fair AC voltage across it. He seems to have cheated by showing it as non-polarised, but that doesn't help you. One possibility might be to put two capacitors back-to-back.

     

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    Does the book give you a specification for the loudspeaker? Although most are 8 ohms, you can get small speakers that are 32 ohms or 40 ohms. It would make a great deal of difference to the filtering if you are using something different to the author. The resistance is normally marked on the back like this

     

     

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    That's the DC resistance due to the resistance of the wire used to wind the coil inside and is what you'd measure with a test meter set to its resistance range (approximately - the one on the left actually measures 37.5 ohms).

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    0 beacon_dave over 8 years ago in reply to jc2048

    The book says "Speaker (small)" which is not very helpful, however the kit option would appear to include a "Small 8-ohm loudspeaker".

    http://www.plattkits.com/kits/

     

    Does the book give you a specification for the loudspeaker? Although most are 8 ohms, you can get small speakers that are 32 ohms or 40 ohms. It would make a great deal of difference to the filtering if you are using something different to the author. The resistance is normally marked on the back like this

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    0 os·cil·la·tor over 8 years ago in reply to jw0752

    Hi John,

     

    Thank you for your response!  It is definitely helpful to remember that the breadboard is connected in horizontal rows.  Moving things left and right (up to the middle divide) seems to be ok (at least in these simple circuits), but moving a component up or down breaks the connection.   This actually came in useful on this circuit, as I will mention below.  Thanks so much for your encouragement!

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    0 os·cil·la·tor over 8 years ago in reply to jc2048

    Hi Jon,

     

    Thanks so much!  As you can see, I followed your diagram and was able to produce the tone.  I did have to move the transistor from H42 to I42 to make room for the 100uF capacitor, but as John pointed out above, this shouldn't make a difference.  It's hard to see in the first photo, but the positive lead of the capacitor goes into I42 in line with the transistor's emitter.

     

    Mr. Platt does explain the importance of polarity, so I was confused by lack of specifics in diagrams 2-118 and 2-119.

     

    My question now is why the character of the sound doesn't seem to change when I swap the 100uF capacitor for the 1uF capacitor.  It sounds identical.  Adding in the 33uF capacitor does muffle the sound considerably, but I'm wondering why interchanging the 100uF and 1uF capacitor produces the same sound.  Could it be a fidelity issue with such a little speaker?  I am using an 8 ohm speaker as the experiment calls for.

     

    I will now forge ahead and build the circuit in 2-120.

     

    Thanks again for your help!

     

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    0 os·cil·la·tor over 8 years ago in reply to beacon_dave

    Hi Dave,

     

    Yes, I am in fact using the Platt kit sold by Chaney Electronics.  Thanks for pointing that out.

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