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Philips GA-212 Turntable LDR Voltage

Graeme
Graeme over 3 years ago

Hello

I have a Philips GA-212 Turntable. I have serviced it and set all the voltages etc. The speeds are now correct and it's sounding great. However, no matter how hard I try the voltage across the LDR is between 6.3V and 8.3V depending on the setting of the pot.  have checked the surrounding components and it's a 4.7K Pot. The main voltage is -9V. I have replaced the 2 x electrolytics. I am measuring the voltages with the TT is the stop position and the arm in it's holder. The turnable stops if I move the arm quite quickly to the centre but not if slowly on a record no matter what setting the pot is at. I can never get anywhere near 0.75V

Any thought out there please?

Kind regards

Graeme

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 3 years ago +3
    I fixed this on the same model: Service my Philips 212 Turntable - Part 2: initial measurements Philips have changed that circuit. In the post I linked above, you 'll find the LCR schematics for both…
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    0 Jan Cumps over 3 years ago

    I fixed this on the same model: Service my Philips 212 Turntable - Part 2: initial measurements

    Philips have changed that circuit. In the post I linked above, you 'll find the LCR schematics for both versions (section Auto Switch-Off LDR).
    In my case, I believe the reason was that someone serviced the turntable with the incorrect version of the manual an tried to replace (and put back wrongly) the potentiometer. While the defect in my table was somewhere else in the power supply.
    So after I fixed the supply, and resoldered the LCR regulator, a 4K7 one, and could get the voltage to 0.75 V (see meter LCD screen below)

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    0 Graeme over 3 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Hi Jan

    Many thanks for your reply. I had, in fact, followed your excellent advice before tackling my own TT. I'll have another go 'though it's not a critical aspect as the TT is working and sounding fab. With the original and excellent Philips 401 Cartridge too! I think this TT is very well made overall but it's just a shame the arm looks and feels like it's come from 'Toys r Us' ;-)

    Cheers

    Graeme

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    0 Jan Cumps over 3 years ago in reply to Graeme

    Ultra light tonearms mounted fixed on the subchassis are specific for Philips.

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    0 Graeme over 3 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Hello again

    A few thoughts re the LDR voltage please? Whilst the TT is working and sounding great, I cannot get the LDR voltage anywhere near 0.75V. It varies between 6.5 and 8.5 depending on the setting of R465. The supply voltage is exactly 9V

    I have thoroughly checked the LDR, R465 and R526

    R526 measure 820ohm. R465 measures between 0 and 4.45Kohm (a 4.7K pot) and the LDR (wires disconnected from board) 6.5Mohm (dark) and 9Kohm with the bulb ON. The measurement of 0.75V should be when the light is on, in the stop position and the arm at the rest position.

    Using a voltage divider calculator https://ohmslawcalculator.com/voltage-divider-calculator shows that i could never reach 0.75V

    As such i believe i have an incorrect/faulty LDR? I know they are avail with many different resistance settings. This one appears original.

    I have a fair amount of electronic knowledge gained over many years but this one stumps me. Perhaps i cannot see the wood for the trees. Any thoughts please?

    As said before, this is in no way critical but it would be nice to sort it.

     - On another note, what voltage do you have across the main motor when on 33/45? I don't find the motor that strong and the current/voltage cannot be that high as it's being fed via a simple BC338

    Cheers

    Graeme

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    0 Jan Cumps over 3 years ago in reply to Graeme

    On the 1st note:

    If that's what the LDR measures, you'll indeed never get at the - 0.75 V.
    To be sure, I checked with both versions of the schematic:

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    But in both cases, the LDR has to drop to under the 1 K. 
    500 Ohm if the pot = 10 K, 980 Ohm if it's a 4.7 K one. 
    The 9 K that you measure is an order of magnitude too high for either configuration.

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    0 Jan Cumps over 3 years ago in reply to Graeme

    On the 1st note:

    If that's what the LDR measures, you'll indeed never get at the - 0.75 V.
    To be sure, I checked with both versions of the schematic:

    image

    But in both cases, the LDR has to drop to under the 1 K. 
    500 Ohm if the pot = 10 K, 980 Ohm if it's a 4.7 K one. 
    The 9 K that you measure is an order of magnitude too high for either configuration.

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