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Op Amps in Flight Sim

EAL727Capt
EAL727Capt over 3 years ago

Good day to all.

Long time lurker and first posting; I truly appreciate your patience.

I have been working on constructing a home cockpit representing a Boeing 727-200 using OEM parts/instruments/indicators/gauges I’ve obtained over the years.

Currently, I’m hard-at-work on interfacing these pieces with X-Plane 11.   I have many, many questions and as a relative newcomer to the world of electronics (which is like learning a new foreign language to me most times) I would appreciate some assistance.

I’m working on a Flight Director Indicator (FDI) and a Horizontal Situation Indicator (HSI) which both provide vertical and horizontal guidance to the pilots.  Luckily, I have the pin out assignments and operation manual for the FDI and am having fun hooking-up wires and seeing the dials slowly turn.  The pitch and roll functions are controlled by synchros and motor-generators via 26VAC/400Hz.  The warning flags are powered by 28VDC.

On the topic of op amps—-

There is a ‘needle’ indicator for the glide slope (which provides a ‘path’ to follow when approaching the runway to land).  This needle indicator is biased from view when the glide slope receiver does not detect a glide slope indication.  When approaching the runway and intercepting the glide slope at a specific altitude, the needle will move slowly move down from its hidden view.  When the needle reaches its centered position, you are on the glide slope and continuously descend to the runway, keeping this needle centered.  
This needle requires very little power, both positive and negative.  Full deflection in either direction (above glide path and below glide path)  is minimal; this indicator is extremely sensitive as it is designed to guide the pilot to the runway in very low visibility conditions—precision is paramount.

Given this, an op amp (based upon the reading and research I’ve done) seems the logical choice for operation.  I have been successful in getting the needle to move from full up to full down by switching the leads for positive and negative power, using extremely low amps from my 28VDC bench power supply.  

From the unit’s manual:

”Meter mechanism sensitivity is 150 +/-20 ua in each direction and is biased from view with 1.5 ma maximum and is in view with 500 ua applied.  Meter resistance is 1000 +/- 30 ohms.”

I will be using a Teensy board which provides power of 3.3VDC with PWM.  I’m not concerned with the coding/sketch to drive this instrument as that has already been established.  

How would I apply Ohm’s Law to drive this needle using various values of resistors/diodes or other components, given the tiny amount of amperage (positive and negative) required?  And then the question of which type of op amp to purchase?  I have done some research on the topic of op amps and am still a little unclear to their full capabilities and/or limitations.   I had seen an op amp board available from SparkFun which looked promising but I wanted to first ask as I see many, many friendly, patient and helpful suggestions and advice here.

I certainly appreciate your input.

Jay

Las Vegas, NV

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  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 3 years ago in reply to EAL727Capt +4
    Hello, you're quite welcome :) The component values were just a rough guess, I choose 100 ohm resistors assuming you wanted to drive upto +- 1.5 mA through the meter movement. You can always use a larger…
  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 3 years ago +2
    Here is a very simple implementation to get you started: Really neat project, btw!
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 3 years ago in reply to scottiebabe +2
    Just wondering, it may be possible to remove the RC filter, although it depends on the movement. On my limited test on a 100 uA movement ( see here: /products/roadtest/rv/roadtest_reviews/509/sensirion_gastemphum…
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  • phoenixcomm
    phoenixcomm over 3 years ago

    Jay, scottiebabe  is doing it the hard way. In my sim Nexgen, I use an H-bridge on top of an Arduino mega. No Muss No Fuss!! and for flags, I just use a digital output and maybe a resistor to limit current. or just 1 half of an H-bridge. 

    Cris

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    EAL727Capt over 3 years ago in reply to phoenixcomm

    Cris—-

    Thank you so much for the reply and very nice to hear from you.   I had sent you a message way back when, asking if you still need the pin outs for the RMI I saw on your site.   I’ve got them, if you need them.

    Admittedly, I had not tried to hook-up the ‘op amp’ substitution nor done anything of noteworthy importance with my project lately, other than trying to get a sketch written for my flaps gauge indicators, which has been a real challenge and has been consuming most of my time.


    I’m interested in your suggestion for the glide slope needle using an H-bridge and flags.  If you can provide additional information, I’d appreciate it.

    Scottiebabe, et. al., have been extremely informative and helpful and trust me, as a newbie, I can use all the guidance I can get!!!

    Thank you. 

    Jay

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    EAL727Capt over 3 years ago in reply to phoenixcomm

    Cris—-

    Thank you so much for the reply and very nice to hear from you.   I had sent you a message way back when, asking if you still need the pin outs for the RMI I saw on your site.   I’ve got them, if you need them.

    Admittedly, I had not tried to hook-up the ‘op amp’ substitution nor done anything of noteworthy importance with my project lately, other than trying to get a sketch written for my flaps gauge indicators, which has been a real challenge and has been consuming most of my time.


    I’m interested in your suggestion for the glide slope needle using an H-bridge and flags.  If you can provide additional information, I’d appreciate it.

    Scottiebabe, et. al., have been extremely informative and helpful and trust me, as a newbie, I can use all the guidance I can get!!!

    Thank you. 

    Jay

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  • phoenixcomm
    phoenixcomm over 3 years ago in reply to EAL727Capt

    jay which rmi?? but yes I lost most of my tm being stupid. .Open mouth

    I had a problem with my public drive. so I moved it to a new 2TB drive. Thankfully I still have my TMs.index.html. but all the links are busted Thinking which means I have to google them and DL the dam things., Oh, yes that's about 200+ items. Unamused, as well as my collection of user manuals for various things, stereo, tv, appliances, etc. 

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