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Can you help identify this symbol?

opalko
opalko over 3 years ago

As part of an encoder chip for the keyboard on an Apple II Plus I came across this symbol in the schematic that I can't identify. Any idea what this is?

Thanks

Robert Opalko

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Here is where I clipped it from (also note the one on the other side denoted "ØP"??)

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  • jc2048
    jc2048 over 3 years ago in reply to shabaz +5
    Having both a weak pull-up and a stronger one that gets enabled when it's needed (by a clock phase) was probably a way to get the chip power consumption down a bit. I've seen the symbol elsewhere in…
  • jc2048
    jc2048 over 3 years ago in reply to jc2048 +5
    Here's another example of the symbol's use. This is the internal schematic of a Signetics 2501 SRAM from a 1975 datasheet. They've drawn it a bit more like the usual MFET symbol. Intel preferred this…
  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 3 years ago +4
    Best guess is depletion mode nmos logic, but I'm not 100% certain. Take care
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  • shabaz
    0 shabaz over 3 years ago

    It might just be a FET of different construction/dimensions, perhaps used in place of a resistor (normal resistors take up a lot of real-estate on a chip), so perhaps they invented that symbol. Although they violate that concept by using the device as a FET when they connected the phiP and phiIP (on mobile, don't know how to draw the Phi symbol) as inputs to a couple of the gates. Anyway, perhaps they are lower-performance FETs basically. 

    All my comment above is pure speculation however..

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    0 jc2048 over 3 years ago in reply to shabaz

    Having both a weak pull-up and a stronger one that gets enabled when it's needed (by a clock phase) was probably a way to get the chip power consumption down a bit.

    I've seen the symbol elsewhere in material about chip design, so I don't think it's unique to Apple.

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    0 jc2048 over 3 years ago in reply to jc2048

    Here's another example of the symbol's use. This is the internal schematic of a Signetics 2501 SRAM from a 1975 datasheet. They've drawn it a bit more like the usual MFET symbol.

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    Intel preferred this, where they've simply shown where the implanted channel for the depletion device sits. This is from an application note explaining how the SRAM cells worked.

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    0 jc2048 over 3 years ago in reply to jc2048

    Here's another example of the symbol's use. This is the internal schematic of a Signetics 2501 SRAM from a 1975 datasheet. They've drawn it a bit more like the usual MFET symbol.

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    Intel preferred this, where they've simply shown where the implanted channel for the depletion device sits. This is from an application note explaining how the SRAM cells worked.

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