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Trying to understand NFC ASK Modulation

BigG
BigG over 2 years ago

According to my Google search, NFC uses ASK modulation to transmit data:

https://www.rfwireless-world.com/Tutorials/NFC-Near-Field-Communication-tutorial.html

https://www.rfwireless-world.com/Tutorials/NFC-Modulation-and-NFC-Coding.html

Which I have interpreted as the following where the "Mixing Circuit" includes the NFC tuned antenna and two picoFarad capacitors... but what else is needed.

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As a non electronics engineer I am trying to work out a minimum circuit required.

Then my lofty intentions is to use a Raspberry Pi Pico to generate my clock signal using PIO and as there is also a Manchester Encoding PIO example, I will attempt to use that too.

So could this work, I wonder?

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  • jc2048
    jc2048 over 2 years ago +3
    I'm far from being an expert, but this is my understanding of the basic principles in case it helps (this is 20 years out of date, but the basic stuff won't have changed too much). I think I'm duplicating…
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 2 years ago +2
    This will be harder than you think ! A long time ago (2006) I did work designing antennae for MIFARE (same thing, more or less) and it's quite tricky. NXP still are fairly active in this field and…
  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 2 years ago +2
    It is possible for sure, but its not really a project I would recommend taking on without an oscilloscope. So if your looking for an excuse to purchase an MXO4 scope, id say go for it ;) I am Rx/Tx…
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  • scottiebabe
    0 scottiebabe over 2 years ago

    It is possible for sure, but its not really a project I would recommend taking on without an oscilloscope.

    So if your looking for an excuse to purchase an MXO4 scope, id say go for it ;) 

    I am Rx/Tx USB-PD with the pio on a PI pico right now which is differential Manchester, so that could provide some inspiration  

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    0 BigG over 2 years ago in reply to scottiebabe

    Yes that was in the back of my mind as I don't have a suitable scope... more like hoping those who have already purchased an MX04 scope, or equivalent, may be looking for another excuse (i.e. project) to get some more play time with their expensive toy. Grinning

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    0 BigG over 2 years ago in reply to scottiebabe

    Yes that was in the back of my mind as I don't have a suitable scope... more like hoping those who have already purchased an MX04 scope, or equivalent, may be looking for another excuse (i.e. project) to get some more play time with their expensive toy. Grinning

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    0 shabaz over 2 years ago in reply to BigG

    A slightly similar (but different) project was a heartbeat monitor strap, they transmit ASK-like pulses at a much lower frequency (5 kHz) which in theory sounds as if it should make the project easier, but with low frequencies come other issues, especially dealing with noise. I built the front end to it last year, but didn't get around to blogging it. For that, I used op-amp buffers basically, but because the signal is weak (compared to NFC, the heartbeat straps need to be monitorable from a slightly larger distance, and they run from a coin cell so not a lot of power), it needed heavy filtering to extract the signal from the noise. I didn't use SDR, but just used sharp filters. I did manage to get the signal (receivable to almost a couple of metres!, which was more than enough for its use-case) in a decent form, but other stuff got in the way and I never got to complete it. Also my pickup coil was massive : ) About the size of a coke-can.

    I don't have the schematic (I didn't create one, because I was just experimenting, and thought I was going to write the circuit down soon, but didn't) but could dig up the stripboard I created it on, would need some reverse-engineering by someone!

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    0 BigG over 2 years ago in reply to shabaz

    I discovered this interesting project online... which uses lower frequencies etc. Schematics etc included.

    github.com/.../pico-dco

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