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Deciding on a DMM, USB logic analyser, and power profiler.

Hari-Seldon
Hari-Seldon 4 days ago

Would love your advice on both logic analyzers, DMM, and a power profiler.

I've got a, let's call it semi-serious electronics habit and I'm doing some design using an ESP32C3 and a DWM1000 (UWB chip) communicating over I2C.  I've also got some sensor packages using SPI.  Debugging is a nightmare without a logic analyzer and I'm looking for an appropriate device in a "serious hobbyist" budget (ideally under £600) and without a month-long wait!

I'd also like a good handheld DMM with auto ranging, temperature, and a stable kickstand/probes!  Is there a particular one you like?

Finally, would love your input on a way of measuring power consumption of the device.  I'm looking at the Nordic Power Profiler Kit II, would you have another suggestion or is that a good one?

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett 3 days ago in reply to fmilburn +3
    This is the circuit I'm using. It measures high side current through R100 and drives the same current throught R104, R105 and R106. It was extracted from a bigger design so apologies for the odd net…
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett 4 days ago +1
    I have two logic analysers which I recomend: This one https://thedebugstore.com/products/zeroplus-lap-c-logic-cube-analyser-uk and this one: https://thedebugstore.com/products/zeroplus-lap-c-pro…
  • javagoza
    javagoza 4 days ago in reply to charlieo21 +1
    If you only need the Logic Analyzer I think the Digital Discovery is a better option Analog Discovery 2. https://www.newark.com/digilent/410-321/pc-based-oscilloscope-30mhz-10msps/dp/40AH1640…
  • dougw
    0 dougw 4 days ago

    Personally, I hate waiting for autoranging meters to find the right range, and meters that have the power switch as part of the rotary selector dial, so something like a  Tenma 72-13500 DMM meets my criteria. (I have other meters that do temperature)

    For an autoranging DMM, maybe a Multicomp Pro MP730624 with Bluetooth DMM would suit your needs.

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  • charlieo21
    0 charlieo21 4 days ago

    I really like the Analog Discovery 2.

    410-321 - Digilent - PC USB Oscilloscope, 2 Analogue, 30 MHz (newark.com)

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    0 michaelkellett 4 days ago

    I have two logic analysers which I recomend:

    This one

    https://thedebugstore.com/products/zeroplus-lap-c-logic-cube-analyser-uk

    and this one:

    https://thedebugstore.com/products/zeroplus-lap-c-pro-logic-protocol-analyser-uk?variant=40764571812029

    I've found them to be way better than any scope based logic analyser.

    For power measuring I've used a Joulescope but don't much like it - I've taken to making my own (1 op-amp - a P channel MOSFET and some Rs and using with a low noise scope.

    Might be your best bet is to go for a Fluke that's in your price range - they last forever and are portable - just checked and the nice ones are too pricey.

    SO my advice would go for a cheap handheld and save up or buy a secondhand bench top DMM.

    The Siglent SDM3065X almost gets into yur budget but I haven't used one and I'd be a bit reluctant to spend that much on a  Chinese brand DMM.

    The Keithley DMM6500 is great but expensive.

    If you want to use your DMM to measure power you will need one with selectable DC time contants and ideally fast (20kHz+) sampling. Or use a scope.

    If you want the ciruit of my current measuring amplifier let me know and I'll post it here.

    MK

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    0 javagoza 4 days ago in reply to charlieo21

    If you only need the Logic Analyzer I think the Digital Discovery is a better option

     Analog Discovery 2.

    https://www.newark.com/digilent/410-321/pc-based-oscilloscope-30mhz-10msps/dp/40AH1640

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     Digital Discovery + HIGH Speed Adapter & Logic Probe

    Portable USB Logic Analyzer and Digital Pattern Generator, Digital Discovery

    https://www.newark.com/digilent/410-349/high-speed-adapter-logic-probe/dp/40AH1661

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    • 16 channel digital logic analyser and pattern generator (3.3V CMOS, 100Msample/sec)
    • 16-channel virtual digital I/O including buttons, switches and LEDs
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    • 24 channel digital logic analyzer (1.2V to 3.3V CMOS, up to 800MS/s) 800MSps input sample rate when using maximum 8 inputs (and the High Speed Adapter), 400 MSps with maximum 16 inputs (with the High Speed
      Adapter), 200MSps and lower with maximum 32 inputs
    • 16 channel pattern generator (1.2V to 3.3V CMOS, 100MS/s)
    • 16 channel virtual digital I/O including buttons, switches and LEDs for logic training applications
    • Two input/output digital trigger signals for linking multiple instruments (1.2V to 3.3V CMOS)
    • A programmable power supply of 1.2V to 3.3V/100mA
    • Digital bus analysers (SPI, I²C, UART, parallel)
    Price: ~$399.00 Price: ~$229.00 + ~$51.00
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    0 charlieo21 4 days ago in reply to javagoza

    You're right but I think the AD2 is much better tool and definitely will be more useful, you can use it as a benchtop DMM also with an external shunt you can measure current. 

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    0 fmilburn 4 days ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Hi Michael,

    I’m curious what you use for current measurement 

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    0 michaelkellett 3 days ago in reply to fmilburn

    This is the circuit I'm using. It measures high side current through R100 and drives the same current throught R104, R105 and R106.

    It was extracted from a bigger design so apologies for the odd net names.

    With the values shown you get 10mV per mA

    The OPA192 has a very low offset and rail to rail IO. It needs at least 5V to work. V5F is the supply for the op amp and could be increased if you needed a higher supply voltage to the DUT. V5F should be at least 0.5V above SW_3V3_PWR.

    C100 sets the rise time of the amp to about 22us, you can speed it up (or slow it down) by changing C100.

    You can look at dynamic currents with a scope across R106 aor measure average current with a DMM so long as it has a long enough integration time.

    I built my first version of this on stripboard and it worked fine.

    Q100 is a tiny PMF170XP - if you increase the supply and run at high currents it will fry - but larger parts will work.

    Its not a good design for battery power testing because it doubles the current drain of the DUT.

    MKimage

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    0 michaelkellett 3 days ago in reply to charlieo21

    The Zeroplus LAPC is a much, much better purpose built logic analyser (than the Digital Discovery) with over 100 decoders in the package for less money than the Digital Discovery.

    MK

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    0 fmilburn 3 days ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Thanks, I am going to try and set aside some time to model it

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