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Rms converter to match HP3400A?

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ggabe over 2 years ago

What is your suggestion to match the specs of the HP3400A AC millivoltmeter’s rms converter with analog parts available today? I’m drawing a line to exclude AD conversion and digital rms calculation. So it stays analog.

Below is the spec sheet:

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    ggabe over 2 years ago in reply to phoenixcomm +4
    My motivation is “restoration”. This is the only analog instrument I have. I like the retro vibe of the mirrored gauge. Three different rms converters in my parts box already, time to make them work all…
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    scottiebabe over 2 years ago in reply to scottiebabe +4
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    phoenixcomm over 2 years ago

     ggabe  Your HP3400A is an old-school analog meter. I personally have a FLUKE 113 which does "true RMS" I got mine in a pawn shop for about 50 bucks. but if you like new Lowes (Box Store) is about 150 bucks. Now it's time to ponder Fix or Replace. If fix Did you check out the parts available from HP ops? Agilent or now Keysite??

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    phoenixcomm over 2 years ago

     ggabe  Your HP3400A is an old-school analog meter. I personally have a FLUKE 113 which does "true RMS" I got mine in a pawn shop for about 50 bucks. but if you like new Lowes (Box Store) is about 150 bucks. Now it's time to ponder Fix or Replace. If fix Did you check out the parts available from HP ops? Agilent or now Keysite??

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    phoenixcomm over 2 years ago in reply to phoenixcomm

     ggabe  BTW what died.. I'm not an analog type. But I just had a peek at the schematics and it doesn't look too hard to repair. Do you know what part(s) died??

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    ggabe over 2 years ago in reply to phoenixcomm

    The thermal converters blown out. I see many repairs/replacements. 

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  • anniel747
    anniel747 over 2 years ago in reply to phoenixcomm

    A 113 goes to 10MHz?

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    ggabe over 2 years ago in reply to phoenixcomm

    My motivation is “restoration”. This is the only analog instrument I have. I like the retro vibe of the mirrored gauge. Three different rms converters in my parts box already, time to make them work all together. Spicing it up to meet or exceed the 10MHz 5% rms measurement accuracy. Which can easily met by any of today's oscilloscopes, just that I like analog and want to push analog to its limits.

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 2 years ago in reply to ggabe

    The meter movements on the 4xx series of HP instruments are really nice (so long as the paint hasn't flaked.)

    I'm not sure that I'm up to the challenge of attempting to replicate the external power sensor for my 435s but it would be nicer than altering the insides.

    MK

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    phoenixcomm over 2 years ago in reply to ggabe

    do you mean TC401 & TC402 on page 47?? if so part numbers for both are D853-0003 if so I Keysite looking into it. 

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    phoenixcomm over 2 years ago in reply to ggabe

     ggabe Keysight just got back to me.. Im copying the pdf into this: 

     KeysightCare Case # 01362418, 3400A Questions [ref:_00D1aawb5._5005a2ZlXvL:ref]

    Good Afternoon Cris and thanks for Contacting Keysight!

     

    I left you a vm in the morning and now following up with an email as well.

     

    Not sure if we got the model number wrong but I had to dig deep to find this really really old 3400A. :)

     

    Unfortunately we do not have a direct replacement but for RMS and thermocouple measurements, please check if our 34465A or 34470A (data sheet attached) meet your needs. (( its just their new test equipment

     

    Below are also the compatible t/c offerings to the 34465A/70A:

    34307A Thermocouple Kit (10 J-type, bare wire termination)
    U1180A Thermocouple (J and K-Type) and Temperature Probe Adapter
    U1181A Immersion Temperature Probe (K-Type Thermocouple)
    U1182A Industrial Surface Temperature Probe (K-Type Thermocouple)
    U1183A Air Temperature Probe (K-Type Thermocouple)
    U1184A Temperature Probe Adapter (Thermocouple NOT included)
    U1185A Thermocouple (J-Type) and Temperature Probe Adapter 
    U1186A Thermocouple (K-Type) and Temperature Probe Adapter
    U1188A Thermocouple (K-Type) with built-in Adapter

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    ggabe over 2 years ago in reply to phoenixcomm

    Very nice, both of you phoenixcomm and Keysight to care asking and replying. 

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