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cga to vga converter uPython

rlaci
rlaci over 1 year ago

Hi

im new to uPython and needing some help with fast interrupts, port handling, reading into controller, handling the big amount of data and speed

my main aim is to get it working on raspberry pico, as colors 1bit resolution is enought as its an industrial equiment with RGBHV 15.6khz input(output from the machine) need to transfer it to 31khz VGA standard output for an lcd monitor

any help welcome

thanks!

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 1 year ago +3
    There's a website listing monitors that support your resolution: http://15khz.wikidot.com/ I think it's far more likely that you'll be able to source a monitor if you search long enough on eBay, than…
  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 1 year ago in reply to shabaz +3
    There is a PIO based implementation of a VGA driver discussed here if anyone is interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXMdZGQzrWg
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 1 year ago in reply to rlaci +3
    It's very, very difficult. You need to delve quite deeply into the data sheets. The things to look for are the IO toggle rate, maximum clock rate of internal RAM, and maybe some benchmarks of complete…
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  • dougw
    0 dougw over 1 year ago

    Are you looking for something like this RGB to VGA adapter? They cost about $1.

    image

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  • beacon_dave
    0 beacon_dave over 1 year ago in reply to dougw

    I think they mean the old IBMPC Color Graphics Array RGBI TTL output

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_Graphics_Adapter#DE-9_connector_for_RGBI_monitor

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    0 rlaci over 1 year ago in reply to shabaz

    i was thinking about it. im an enthusiast who started on arduino, but in school always loved logic circuit design and fpga is something like that, but i would need some pinpointing:

    - is there any arduino like reprogrammable fpga board for learning?

    - what kind of programming languages FPGA-s using to program them and what is the whole approach to make it work?

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    0 beacon_dave over 1 year ago in reply to shabaz

    I recall that Ben Heck did a project with FPGA to convert to VGA a while back. Might have been the Giant Game Boy episode.

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    0 shabaz over 1 year ago in reply to beacon_dave

    That rings a bell. I recall I wanted to do a similar thing for a Game Gear I had lying around, but never had the time for it : ( 

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    0 beacon_dave over 1 year ago in reply to rlaci
    rlaci said:
    is there any arduino like reprogrammable fpga board for learning?

    For a while, Arduino sold the MKR Vidor 4000 which was a SAMD21 based microcontroller board with an Intel Cyclone 10 FPGA on it. Unfortunately they discontinued it.

    The Lattice Semiconductor iCEstick is back in stock (iCE40 FPGA) and might be worth a look as a starter board. It's a bit more lightweight when it comes to the software side and there is also an open source toolchain available for it.

    Shawn Hymel uses one in Digikey's: Introduction to FPGA series
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLg1AgA2Xoo&list=PLEBQazB0HUyT1WmMONxRZn9NmQ_9CIKhb

    rlaci said:
    what kind of programming languages FPGA-s using to program them and what is the whole approach to make it work?

    Mainly Verilog or VHDL.

    Whitney Knitter: 2-Minute FPGAs
    /technologies/fpga-group/w/documents/5399/summer-of-fpgas-2-minute-fpgas-with-whitney-knitter

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    0 beacon_dave over 1 year ago in reply to shabaz

    I think Ben did two shows with FPGA.

    Ben Heck’s Giant Game Boy Episode -- Episode 225
    /challenges-projects/element14-presents/benheck/ben-heck-exclusive/w/documents/1370/ben-heck-s-giant-game-boy-episode----episode-225

    https://github.com/thebenheckshow/225-tbhs-Giant-Game-Boy/tree/master/DE0_GameBoy_DMG-01_VGA-master/Software

    Ben Heck's FPGA LCD Driver Hack Episode -- Episode 169
    /challenges-projects/element14-presents/benheck/ben-heck-exclusive/w/documents/18694/ben-heck-s-fpga-lcd-driver-hack-episode----episode-169

    https://github.com/thebenheckshow/169-tbhs-FPGA-LCD-Driver-Hack

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    0 shabaz over 1 year ago in reply to beacon_dave

    Amazing how expensive the iCEstick has become. I got it for about £25 a couple of years ago. Now it is >£120. Fortunately easy to replicate, since it's just a TQFP chip.

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    0 rlaci over 1 year ago in reply to beacon_dave

    looks interesting and did not find by my own

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    0 beacon_dave over 1 year ago in reply to shabaz

    Ouch! I must have got mine just in time then. You were lucky to get then a couple of years ago as they were very difficult to get hold of due to the supply chain issues.    

    Something like the Olimex board might be a cheaper alternative these days: 
    https://www.olimex.com/Products/FPGA/iCE40/

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    0 michaelkellett over 1 year ago in reply to beacon_dave

    I was going to suggest this:

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006165197426.html

    But the learning curve with the Olimex and iCE40 will be easier.

    MK

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    0 rlaci over 1 year ago in reply to beacon_dave

    how the speed of an fpga is measured, compared, what should i look for if selecting for a project?

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    0 rlaci over 1 year ago in reply to beacon_dave

    how the speed of an fpga is measured, compared, what should i look for if selecting for a project?

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    0 michaelkellett over 1 year ago in reply to rlaci

    It's very, very difficult.

    You need to delve quite deeply into the data sheets.

    The things to look for are the IO toggle rate, maximum clock rate of internal RAM, and maybe some benchmarks of complete designs although comparing across manufacturers is very hard with real designs.

    Another issue is that all manufacturers offer different speed versions and the fastest ones in the data sheet may not be readily obtainable.

    Very roughly, in ascending order of speed:

    iCE40: slow but very low power

    Gowin Little Bee: very similar to Lattice XP2

    Lattice XP2

    Intel/A;ltera  MAX10

    Efinix Trion

    AMD/Xilinx Spartan 3

    AMD/Xilinx Spartan7

    AMD/Xilinx Artix7

    I would recommend Lattice iCE40, Intel Max10,  Efinix Trion, Gowin Little Bee in that order for a beginner.

    Huge jump from Circuit Python to any of those.

    Key things in choosing are availability of chips, dev tools and support.

    If your volumes are small there will (usually) be very little support from the manufacturer.

    The Gowin is supported by very cheap tools from China (Aliexpress)

    This board might suit you because it has some video hardware built in - the Intel/Altera tools are free. I did a blog about this board a while ago:

     Kamami MAXimator FPGA Board 

    It's not the cheapest route but might suit your application.

    MK

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