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LT1712: Need help understanding and modifying this oscillator

rsjawale24
rsjawale24 4 days ago

I'm in need of an analog circuit that can generate a square wave output of 20MHz. My first thought was to use a schmitt trigger inverter with a crystal, but then I thought of using a fast opamp to make it more challenging and a fun to work on project. 

I came across this circuit made using LT1712 4.5ns comparator from Linear Technologies (now ADI). The circuit below generates a square wave output with a freq. of 1MHz which is filtered to obtain a sine wave of 1MHz. It uses a series resonant crystal to generate a stable 1MHz signal as shown in Fig.1 

I modified the circuit, by replacing the crystal with a  20MHz one and R3, C1 by using another circuit given in the datasheet of LT1016 for 10MHz to 25MHz signal as shown in Fig. 2. I made a PCB to test the chip. However, my output frequency is around 10MHz with a distorted square wave output. I have tried the circuit in LTspice where it gives proper 20MHz output. 

Hence, I need help in understanding how the series resonant crystal circuit is working, why the 210 ohm resistor? and how the R3 and C1affect the output freq? As the values are both different in the two circuit diagrams. I have also posted the LTspice circuit simulation and output as well as the measured output of my PCB. 

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Fig. 1: LT1017 1MHz square wave gen

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Fig.2: LT1016 10MHz to 25 MHz generator

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  • dougw
    dougw 3 days ago +3 suggested
    I am not an expert on this at all. If you remove the crystal, this circuit will oscillate based on R3 and C2. If these component values are adjusted until the frequency is approximately correct, reinserting…
  • dang74
    dang74 4 days ago +2
    It looks like you have a second, lower frequency crawling through your oscilloscope trace. Do you have 0.1uF capacitors bypassing the power pins of your active devices? Datasheets don't mention this and…
  • jc2048
    jc2048 3 days ago +2 suggested
    Another non-expert here :) "why the 210 ohm resistor" Series resistor is to reduce the power that the crystal is having to deal with. It may be a small piece of hard rock (quartz), but it will crack…
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    0 dang74 4 days ago

    It looks like you have a second, lower frequency crawling through your oscilloscope trace.  Do you have 0.1uF capacitors bypassing the power pins of your active devices?  Datasheets don't mention this and the circuit tends to work in simulation, but in the real world these caps are needed.

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    0 dang74 4 days ago

    It looks like you have a second, lower frequency crawling through your oscilloscope trace.  Do you have 0.1uF capacitors bypassing the power pins of your active devices?  Datasheets don't mention this and the circuit tends to work in simulation, but in the real world these caps are needed.

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    0 rsjawale24 4 days ago in reply to dang74

    No, I forgot to put bypass caps on the PCB. But I will do it tomorrow, when I redo the measurements. But I need to understand the working to re modify the circuit to get 20MHz output. 

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    +1 dang74 3 days ago in reply to rsjawale24

    I am not an expert on this type of oscillator but I've seen it before.  If you look at the negative feedback portion of the circuit, it could be said that when the output is positive capacitor C2 is charged through R3.  Conversely when the output is negative, capacitor C2 discharges through R3.  Now on the positive feedback side of things I believe the trip point at the noninverting input will be different for the two main phases of the output... and while I don't know the specifics R4 plays a role in this.  I suggest that you add two more probes on your simulation circuit... one at the inverting input and the other at the noninverting input.  From there play around with the value of R4 to see its effect.

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