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how to measure wire length at warehouse

Former Member
Former Member over 9 years ago

Hi,

I am from INDIA working at MNC .....

 

I have facing some problem of receiving Wire shortages in Roll .. We have receive 100 mtr roll but at time of kitting found 1 or 2 mtr short.  it is not possible to count roll & measure wire .. it is very time consuming

 

I want  to know how measure wire length at time of incoming receiving .  if there is any device . Pls help

 

Thanks & Regards

Pravindra Negi

+919997972016

INDIA

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 9 years ago +1
    Weight a good roll, write down, and reject any future roll that weights less?
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 9 years ago in reply to Former Member +1
    Nothing would be quicker (or cheaper) than weighing the wire rolls. If you are buying a lot of wire it's definitely a quality problem and can only be resolved by QA type methods. When I was involved in…
  • Robert Peter Oakes
    Robert Peter Oakes over 9 years ago +1
    The only easy way I can think of that may do the job is Time Domain Reflectometry (TDR), this sends a pulse down the wire and measures the time for it to reflect but I dont think it will work with just…
  • Robert Peter Oakes
    Robert Peter Oakes over 9 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    The link did not seem to work, here is alternate (I think you had an HTTP and an HTTPS in there image )

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-domain_reflectometer

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-domain_reflectometry

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  • Problemchild
    Problemchild over 9 years ago in reply to Robert Peter Oakes

    yeah  the stupid Link puts in HTTP:// and then you need to be careful you've deleted it when you are in a hurry pasting it into the text box.

    Any way I'm sure they can cut and paste manually if they are interested.

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  • Robert Peter Oakes
    Robert Peter Oakes over 9 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    I Just paste the link directly and be done with it most times, If you want, you can then go back and edit the display text

     

    Peter

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  • Problemchild
    Problemchild over 9 years ago in reply to Robert Peter Oakes

    Edited although I've now come up against one of those weird errors the Editor has ..It was placing the Link at the top even though I put the cursor in the right place. Cut and pasted the test above it eventually !

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  • DAB
    DAB over 9 years ago

    With wire that long, you should be able to do resistance measurement on the cable if you can get to both ends.

     

    DAB

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  • Problemchild
    Problemchild over 9 years ago in reply to DAB

    The obvious answer is often the best, only problem is that you need a reference for that type of cable (not too difficult you assume) and of course most reels tend to trap the one end inside the drum or underneath the rest of the cable making measurement a pain.

     

    If you could gain access to both ends you could use the reel as one side of say a wien bridge and have quite a sensitive measurement of cable length or at least if they are short changing you.

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  • Robert Peter Oakes
    Robert Peter Oakes over 9 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    If you have access to both ends then you can easily use the pulse (TDR method, the time it takes the pulse to get to the end of the cable is directly proportional to the length and about 80% the speed of light

     

    Knowing this, a jig could be made that will measure the length of the cable quite easily, sending a rapid rise time pulse down the cable and measuring the time it takes for that edge to get to the other end

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  • Robert Peter Oakes
    Robert Peter Oakes over 9 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    At the speed of light 300,000KM/Sec = 3.3333nS / Meter a 100M reel of cable will take 3.333*100 = 333.333nS to propogate less the velocity factor of copper of about 0.93 (TBC) means the pulse leading edge will take 333.33/0.93 = 358nS

     

    to measure this to better than 1% I think a clock of better than 300MHz will be needed as if it takes 358nS to travel 100M then it takes 3.58nS for 1M or 3.58pS per mm, so now it is easy math to determin what resolution you need to capture

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  • Problemchild
    Problemchild over 9 years ago in reply to Robert Peter Oakes

    Only really need one end  to inject then measure the time of the reflection returning off the unterminated end.

    With both ends you could do a simple time of flight measurement.

    does the inductance of the drum of wire change the propagation speed .....er can't remember

    Probably measure the resistance if I had both ends like DAB suggested .. low cost easy to do etc.

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