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Home appliances causing 60 fires a week in the UK.. ideas to reduce the risk

shabaz
shabaz over 4 years ago

Posting in IoT for lack of a better section.. and solutions or monitoring of home appliances may use IoT.

 

I was quite surprised to see this statistic : (

Faulty appliances 'cause 60 fires a week' - BBC News

It seems a huge number. Apparently this is mainly due to washing machines and tumble dryers. The following article discusses what causes the fires for tumble dryers, and how to reduce the risk of it:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/five-rules-stop-your-tumble-14112798

 

I've never had a tumble dryer (I use a clothes line if it isn't raining) so I can't be sure, but reading through that article, it seems the procedure to reduce the risk is really onerous. The article suggests vacuuming around the dryer and fluff can accumulate at the rear of the dryer. I can't imagine many people moving a dryer to vacuum behind it frequently, because of the weight of it, and presumably some are integrated (bolted) into position. This video only discusses how to clean fluff from the front filter, which looks easy enough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQruzikHdQI  but it doesn't address the other areas that may need to be regularly inspected and cleaned.

 

The article also discusses that tumble dryers should not be operated at night when people are asleep, or when no one is at home. To me, that seems like the lowest-hanging technical workaround until tumble dryers can be made safer; retro-fitting them for free, with a lockout system that will prevent operation unless light and motion (i.e. occupancy with activity) can be sensed - perhaps by Bluetooth. If either light or motion is not sensed for longer than (say) ten minutes then the dryer could be powered down. A fire alarm should also be fitted for free if one is not already fitted. Anything less seems unreasonable, considering tumble dryer manufacturers must know their machines pose such a high risk.

 

How do other people manage the risk? I would trust myself not to use a tumble dryer in the evening, but what if someone fell asleep on the sofa during the daytime and no-one else was at home. Or teenagers. Can they really be trusted to avoid using a tumble dryer at night, and adhering to the no house-parties rules : ) when parents are traveling?

 

And on another note.. it will be likely country-specific, but it would be good to hear advice on fitting fire alarms in locations where washing machines and tumble dryers will be fitted - e.g. what type of alarm, what distance is recommended, etc, from those who are experienced in this area. It would be valuable information to a lot of people.

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  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 4 years ago +4

    it seems the procedure to reduce the risk is really onerous. The article suggests vacuuming around the dryer and fluff can accumulate at the rear of the dryer.

    Many older style dryers don't vent outside…

  • phoenixcomm
    phoenixcomm over 4 years ago +4

    For Sure RTFM.

    BUT folks today don't read them,

    So here's what  I propose in order.

    1. Color Action Comic

    2. Instructional Video on DVD

    3. Same as #1 and #2  but on a flash drive.

    4. None of the above…

  • shabaz
    shabaz over 4 years ago in reply to mcb1 +4

    Ah, I didn't realise they were light.

    The machine in the video appears to have some labels near the opening, but I guess some people won't make the connection that following these are critical to safety…

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  • phoenixcomm
    phoenixcomm over 4 years ago

    For Sure RTFM.

    BUT folks today don't read them,

    So here's what  I propose in order.

    1. Color Action Comic

    2. Instructional Video on DVD

    3. Same as #1 and #2  but on a flash drive.

    4. None of the above as they wouldn't read anyway, be just a waste of money.

    5. Sensor the damn thing so It shuts down the unit and calls the fire department!

     

    Cris H.

     

    BTW Where on earth did they find that dead-eye tech. He does more harm than good. LOL

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 4 years ago in reply to phoenixcomm

    Hehe yeah impossible to make all people follow a manual or guide, especially (some) teenagers who may use the dryer without listening to their parents.

    Also maybe many people are not aware I think, that air with combustible particles is extremely dangerous : ( I don't know if that is the most likely mode that causes the fires though.

    Definitely time these machines had a lot more sensors and lockouts.

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  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 4 years ago in reply to shabaz

    Apparently you can lead the horse to water, but can't make it drink

     

     

    Education is the only way it will get resolved. Manuals aren't read or are forgotten after a short time.

    We have a campain regarding smoke alarms, but still people don't change the batteries.

     

     

    Q. how many of you have checked your RCD ... regardless if it's switchboard mounted or a plugin.?

     

    Mark

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 4 years ago in reply to mcb1

    I suspect the answer is "never" because everything encourages people to stay away from consumer units/switchboards, and the culture is to only call an electrician to check things, when there is a fault. So no-one ends up going near consumer units for years perhaps, apart from the electricity guy who comes around to read the meter from time to time.

    Manual checks are expensive too, I don't know what an engineer would charge to come around and perform the tests for (say) the elderly who might not even be able to get at the consumer unit easily.

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  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 4 years ago in reply to shabaz

    I suspect the answer is "never"

    I'm guilty of not checking ours monthly ...

     

    It's a simple pushbutton, but the downside is it takes out the power, and while I've split mine, rebooting several PC's sisn't my idea of a fun afternoon.

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  • e14phil
    e14phil over 4 years ago in reply to mcb1

    We have a combined washer dryer and i'm certain mine doesn't have a lint trap. The water drains outside but no vent for air.  Do they all?

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  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 4 years ago in reply to e14phil

    Do they all?

     

    I've only come across one combined unit ... briefly, so I'm not sure.

    Some of the standalone models had an external vent, which connected to a 100mm? flexible pipe.

     

    I guess when you're drying clothes you'll discover where all the air goes ... or the alternative is download the manuals ...

    (Installation and User)

     

    Our's simply blows it out the front door. It has a plastic semi angled arrangement so you can rotate it to direct the air ... somewhere else.

    On the inside is a fine mesh like disc that unclips. Often this becomes about 5-6mm thick due to the build-up.

     

     

    Mark

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  • 14rhb
    14rhb over 4 years ago in reply to mcb1

    I was unsure where the air went after being condensed inside those units...so I Googled it and found this What is a Condenser Tumble Dryer and how does it work?

     

    The article states that the air is recirculated, which makes sense as that would be most efficient, and that the lint collects in the condenser water. So if the condensing tumble is plumbed into a drain you likely won't even notice this. The amount I get in a non-condensing tumble's filter would easily be noticeable if it was in a sump of condenser water.

     

    This could start a whole new debate given the recent findings of manmade fibres entering the oceans from washing machines !

     

    Rod

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  • e14phil
    e14phil over 4 years ago in reply to 14rhb

    Looks like mine condenses the liquid and pumps it out with the waste water. Fancy!

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 4 years ago in reply to e14phil

    Wow - That could be a very compelling reason to buy a combo machine then, instead of a dedicated machine! Very interesting...

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    shabaz over 4 years ago in reply to e14phil

    Wow - That could be a very compelling reason to buy a combo machine then, instead of a dedicated machine! Very interesting...

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