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CNC Interface Board discussion

shabaz
shabaz over 6 years ago

This is a thread to discuss ideas for controlling low-cost hardware (machines), for the purposes of cutting or engraving for example. It was created due to the interest in ralphjy project to assemble such a device.

There are several ways to do this, typically the 'brains' are a normal desktop or laptop PC, or a single board computer (SBC), and then there is some interface board, that then ultimately connects via high-power drivers, to the motors. There are some other bits of functionality too, like feedback (e.g. limit switches) for detecting end stops.

 

In terms of motors, in industry servomotors will be used, but for home use stepper motors are a lot more popular due to lower cost. For controlling the tool, a 'spindle motor' may be a brushless motor, or alternatively a brushed permanent magnet DC motor (i.e. BLDC or PMDC motor respectively).

 

The PC connection to the interface board can typically be a parallel interface, or USB. When using a SBC then its on-board general-purpose input/output (GPIO) can be used.

 

The BeagleBone Black (BBB) is worth considering I think, since it has been the first popular Linux product to be integrated into machines, providing functionality for 3D printers and small CNC machines. Commercial manufacturing products have been launched with the BeagleBone inside, such as the PocketCNC. There are also third party add-on boards that act as interface boards (and some that integrate motor drivers too). The BBB is old now, but there is a BeagleBone-AI that could in future be used as an upgrade.

 

Partly the reason the BBB has been useful is because it contains some programmable real-time units (PRU) internally, and they can override some GPIO pins, for direct control without needing to go through the Linux system. So, the Linux system can push code to execute on the PRU, and the PRU will control the pins. This means high speeds, and no unexpected delays or jitter, since the PRUs are simpler devices that do not run an operating system that could have a task preempted.

 

To control the interface cards, PCs have a wider choice of software, and popular choices are Mach 3 and LinuxCNC. For the BBB, the software all the boards seem to use is called Machinekit, which is a fork of LinuxCNC.

 

Using it for BBB is not documented well unfortunately. When I first started looking a while back, it was hard to tell which information works, and which information is old. I wanted to automate a simple XY table I'd bought.

However, there is a fairly recent blog article with useful pointers.  It too discusses that information is spread out.

 

It would be nice to develop hardware (or to at least consider it first), and any software or configurations, documented, that would allow low-cost control of machines, and to bound it a little, to only consider home-grade machines using stepper motors, not servomotors. I think there is value in a new open source design, to collect up the wisdom of the various CNC users here, so we can all have low-cost home robots to make things for us!

After some initial thinking, these sketches were a couple of ideas: They are based around the thought that the BBB could be a plug-on daughter card on a larger interface board, that uses something like RJ45-style connectors (because it would be nice to use off-the-shelf cables where possible, to reduce wiring effort, otherwise there are a lot of wires to connect).

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After some further discussions with balearicdynamics, it was suggested that scenario 1 could be more practical since it can handle more motors (low power and high power). I too like that idea, since it is one less board to make.

Edge connectors or some other connection location could still be left on the board, for those who do want to have a custom board for add-ons (e.g. to control a 3D printer instead, where they may need outputs for say a heater).

 

More input to any of this, including the practicality of it all, and board design (physical as well as functionality), and connector choices, is welcome. Meanwhile, I've been looking at the existing boards that are supported by Machinekit, to see what pins they use of the BBB, and why. I'll have to install Machinekit to better understand it. So far, I've looked at boards (or Machinekit configs) called CRAMPS, Replicape, and BeBoPr-Bridge and all use different pin mappings. I need to figure out which of these configs are using the PRU, and if so, which pins to allocate for that. I like the CRAMPS pin mapping so far, because it avoids eMMC and HDMI clashes (the BBB has these brought out to its connectors, and some interface boards tend to use these, which rules out using eMMC or HDMI as a result).

 

The pin mappings are in text files, but not easy to compare, so I've put them in a spreadsheet, I'll attach that as soon as it is complete.

The pin mapping text files are: CRAMPS.hal,  replicape.hal, BeBoPr-Bridge.hal  (I'll look at a few more too, and put them in the spreadsheet).

The mappings are numbers like 817, which means header P8 on the BBB, pin number 17.

 

EDIT: I'd hoped to daisy-chain the supplies, but looking at the user docs of a random one, it recommends against this practice:

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So, the in/out connectors may not be a good idea, and a single power connector on each motor driver could be preferred.

I'm still looking for a suitable connector, but thinking it may as well be another RJ45-style, since I cannot think of another high power cheap alternative. Ethernet will carry lots of current safely, if wires are paralleled. There is the risk of accidentally plugging it into the wrong socket, but they could be color coded.

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 6 years ago +7
    shabaz wrote: ... some programmable real-time units (PRU) internally, and they can override some GPIO pins, for direct control without needing to go through the Linux system. So, the Linux system can push…
  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 6 years ago in reply to genebren +6
    ... another good reason to use a proper stepper driver is that it generates stepper friendly currents. A half bridge design, controlled by a pulse signal, will try (and succeed) to run the motor with square…
  • balearicdynamics
    balearicdynamics over 6 years ago in reply to shabaz +5
    Good idea of opening a separate thread. Enrico
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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 6 years ago

    I have virtually no experience with running CNC, 3D printers and laser cutters. Looking for info on how they combine axis movements.

    Do the stepper motors ever run truly real-time at the same time?

    What is the sequence (commands generated) when  a 90° movement is made?

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 6 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Hi Jan,

     

    I've only used manual mills, (I've not used a CNC machine, and only used a 3D printer once : (

    so I am familiar with the tool motions, but not how a machine would do it - I have to design for easier manual manufacture basically,

    so I'll deliberately use (say) large slot mills or a cutter whereas a CNC may rather use a small milling bit and a tool path for a circle. The algorithms are different : )

    The easiest way could be to use Fusion 360, to generate some tool pattern, and then it can be examined.

    Basically, in Fusion 360, create a 3D object (e.g. a rectangular block since you want to analyse a 90 degree movement), and then click where it says "MODEL" and in the drop-down select "MANUFACTURE" instead. The screenshot below shows the highlighted areas to work in.

    Select 2D drop-down, and click on 2D Contour. Click the Tool "Select.." on the right, and pick a tool (e.g. 3mm end mill, it doesn't matter). Then, select a face on the model. Now click on OK at the bottom-right (easy to forget). Click Setup and in the drop-down,  select Create NC Program. The defaults are fine, so make a note of the folder and click OK. Then, right-click on the NCProgram created in the browser on the left, and you can click on Simulate if you want to see the motion (some playback buttons appear bottom-center for playing the motion). Click Close in the Simulate box on the right afterwards.

    Once you're happy, right-click on the NCProgram again, and this time select Post Process. After a while, you'll see a notification fade in/out of view in the bottom-right of the display. This means the file is generated in the folder noted earlier.

    image

    Below is what the generated file looks like, for the face indicated in the screenshot above. But it won't make much sense without looking at the simulation in Fusion 360. If you click on the Info tab in the Simulate box that appears on the right side when doing the simulation as described above, then you'll see the XYZ co-ordinates displayed. You can then correlate them with the XYZ values in the output file (in G Code described here).

    (1001)
    (T1  D=3 CR=0 - ZMIN=-1 - flat end mill)
    N10 G90
    N15 G17
    N20 G21
    (2D Contour1)
    N25 M9
    N30 T1 M6
    N35 S10000 M3
    N40 M8
    N45 G0 X-7.8 Y4.9
    N50 Z15
    N55 Z5
    N60 G1 Z1 F30
    N65 Z-0.7
    N70 Y4.892
    N75 Z-0.767
    N80 Y4.87
    N85 Z-0.83
    N90 Y4.835
    N95 Z-0.887
    N100 Y4.787
    N105 Z-0.935
    N110 Y4.73
    N115 Z-0.97
    N120 Y4.667
    N125 Z-0.992
    N130 Y4.6
    N135 Z-1
    N140 Y4.3 F900
    N145 G17 G3 X-7.5 Y4 I0.3 J0
    N150 G1 X7.5
    N155 G2 X9 Y2.5 I0 J-1.5
    N160 G1 Y-2.5
    N165 G2 X7.5 Y-4 I-1.5 J0
    N170 G1 X-7.5
    N175 G2 X-9 Y-2.5 I0 J1.5
    N180 G1 Y2.5
    N185 G2 X-7.5 Y4 I1.5 J0
    N190 G3 X-7.2 Y4.3 I0 J0.3
    N195 G1 Y4.6
    N200 Y4.667
    N205 Z-0.992
    N210 Y4.73
    N215 Z-0.97
    N220 Y4.787
    N225 Z-0.935
    N230 Y4.835
    N235 Z-0.887
    N240 Y4.87
    N245 Z-0.83
    N250 Y4.892
    N255 Z-0.767
    N260 Y4.9
    N265 Z-0.7
    N270 G0 Z15
    N275 M9
    N280 M2

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    shabaz over 6 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Hi Jan,

     

    I've only used manual mills, (I've not used a CNC machine, and only used a 3D printer once : (

    so I am familiar with the tool motions, but not how a machine would do it - I have to design for easier manual manufacture basically,

    so I'll deliberately use (say) large slot mills or a cutter whereas a CNC may rather use a small milling bit and a tool path for a circle. The algorithms are different : )

    The easiest way could be to use Fusion 360, to generate some tool pattern, and then it can be examined.

    Basically, in Fusion 360, create a 3D object (e.g. a rectangular block since you want to analyse a 90 degree movement), and then click where it says "MODEL" and in the drop-down select "MANUFACTURE" instead. The screenshot below shows the highlighted areas to work in.

    Select 2D drop-down, and click on 2D Contour. Click the Tool "Select.." on the right, and pick a tool (e.g. 3mm end mill, it doesn't matter). Then, select a face on the model. Now click on OK at the bottom-right (easy to forget). Click Setup and in the drop-down,  select Create NC Program. The defaults are fine, so make a note of the folder and click OK. Then, right-click on the NCProgram created in the browser on the left, and you can click on Simulate if you want to see the motion (some playback buttons appear bottom-center for playing the motion). Click Close in the Simulate box on the right afterwards.

    Once you're happy, right-click on the NCProgram again, and this time select Post Process. After a while, you'll see a notification fade in/out of view in the bottom-right of the display. This means the file is generated in the folder noted earlier.

    image

    Below is what the generated file looks like, for the face indicated in the screenshot above. But it won't make much sense without looking at the simulation in Fusion 360. If you click on the Info tab in the Simulate box that appears on the right side when doing the simulation as described above, then you'll see the XYZ co-ordinates displayed. You can then correlate them with the XYZ values in the output file (in G Code described here).

    (1001)
    (T1  D=3 CR=0 - ZMIN=-1 - flat end mill)
    N10 G90
    N15 G17
    N20 G21
    (2D Contour1)
    N25 M9
    N30 T1 M6
    N35 S10000 M3
    N40 M8
    N45 G0 X-7.8 Y4.9
    N50 Z15
    N55 Z5
    N60 G1 Z1 F30
    N65 Z-0.7
    N70 Y4.892
    N75 Z-0.767
    N80 Y4.87
    N85 Z-0.83
    N90 Y4.835
    N95 Z-0.887
    N100 Y4.787
    N105 Z-0.935
    N110 Y4.73
    N115 Z-0.97
    N120 Y4.667
    N125 Z-0.992
    N130 Y4.6
    N135 Z-1
    N140 Y4.3 F900
    N145 G17 G3 X-7.5 Y4 I0.3 J0
    N150 G1 X7.5
    N155 G2 X9 Y2.5 I0 J-1.5
    N160 G1 Y-2.5
    N165 G2 X7.5 Y-4 I-1.5 J0
    N170 G1 X-7.5
    N175 G2 X-9 Y-2.5 I0 J1.5
    N180 G1 Y2.5
    N185 G2 X-7.5 Y4 I1.5 J0
    N190 G3 X-7.2 Y4.3 I0 J0.3
    N195 G1 Y4.6
    N200 Y4.667
    N205 Z-0.992
    N210 Y4.73
    N215 Z-0.97
    N220 Y4.787
    N225 Z-0.935
    N230 Y4.835
    N235 Z-0.887
    N240 Y4.87
    N245 Z-0.83
    N250 Y4.892
    N255 Z-0.767
    N260 Y4.9
    N265 Z-0.7
    N270 G0 Z15
    N275 M9
    N280 M2

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