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Battery for stepper motors and controller

balearicdynamics
balearicdynamics over 9 years ago

Hi to all. The scenario is the following: by one side there is a couple of stepper motors (running on 4.5 Vcc.) and by the other there is the 5 Vcc needed to power the controller board (consuming very few current, i.e. 150 mA). So, there will be two different power lines. To get them from a single battery (e.g. 2A LiIon rechargeable battery), is it sufficient splitting the battery power supply, one to the motors and one to a 5V power regulator to power the controller?

 

Thank you in advance image Enrico

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  • balearicdynamics
    balearicdynamics over 9 years ago in reply to shabaz +3
    Shabaz, I attach three images of the kind of batteries that I mean. Not super powerful but I know them very well and are very realiable. Voltage is 7.2 V that is ideal for 5V (or 3V) based devices and…
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 9 years ago +1 suggested
    Hi Enrico! That does work, but sometimes people do have issues with it because of noise or volt drop. Motor power varies a lot too since they are so diverse. An electrolytic cap very close to the motors…
  • balearicdynamics
    balearicdynamics over 9 years ago in reply to shabaz +1
    Hi Shabaz Thank you for your answer and precious support. Your blog post is one that I followed during a period that from here was impossible to like and bookmark. In this project I will use camera batteries…
  • balearicdynamics
    0 balearicdynamics over 9 years ago in reply to D_Hersey

    A board that I have developed, a project not yet published based on PSoC4 and L293D

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    0 D_Hersey over 9 years ago

    If you are switching the l393, right before it.

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    0 balearicdynamics over 9 years ago in reply to D_Hersey

    Plese explain. You mean on the high power line or the controller power line ?

    These are anyway already separated, (not very different to be honest). The controller 5Vcc positive is from the power reulatore while the high power line (motor supply) will go to another power regulator. Some detail should already be done but this is the proof of concept idea.

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    0 D_Hersey over 9 years ago in reply to balearicdynamics

    if you put the optoisolators before the inputs of the l393, you can have

    four-wire isolation.  The logic supply would have its own ground and V+,

    and you would have a MOT+ and a MOT-.  The motor would just seem like leds

    to the controller.

     

    On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 4:34 PM, balearicdynamics <messages@element14.com>

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    0 balearicdynamics over 9 years ago in reply to D_Hersey

    I see. As a matter of fact, the power section is controlled by the two half-bridge L293 and there is any physical connection with the logic part. This is that makes me a bit suspicious with this method. Mot + is just controlled by the darlington while the logic part has no connection at all with the motors. These are already two separate lines. Or I am wrong ? Frankly I have never seen a motor contorller with optoisolators just because this fact. also those in my CNC (wokring at 24V instead of 4.7) nor those in the 3D printer controlled by an AVR 1286.

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    0 D_Hersey over 9 years ago

    Imagine ground not to be the magic thing we draw on schematics, but as a -bus of finite resistance.  Now you see that by sharing a ground, spikes on the one circuit can be impressed on the other.

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  • balearicdynamics
    0 balearicdynamics over 9 years ago in reply to D_Hersey

    That's clear. I should make a try.

     

    Now a different question arises: why this is never applied to - just for example - all the 3D printers I saw that has a stepper motor controlling method very similar?

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    0 shabaz over 9 years ago in reply to balearicdynamics

    Hi Enrico,

     

    If you're using low-power motors then you don't need to have opto-isolation. Even on higher power circuits, opto-isolation is an option (a good option), but there can be other ways too. Depends on how much ruggedness you want to fault conditions, but other ways can be rugged too. For example the Infineon motor control board uses an automotive part (with protection for some fault scenarios), and it is directly controlled by the Arduino (through 10k resistors for current limiting).

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    0 balearicdynamics over 9 years ago in reply to shabaz

    Shabaz, it is what I am writing by some comments. When I made the control board for the vending machines, I have used optoisolators, just because there was 3-5 A ower motors working at 24 V and the same serial interface needed optoisolation because was working with a strange 12V communication protocol. But in the case of general purpose controller driving 1-2A max stepper motors powered by 5Vcc (4.7 V to be precise) it sounds a bit senseless as the same L293 can provide sufficient peak isolation.

     

    Enrico

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    0 D_Hersey over 9 years ago

    It is a little more expensive to implement because now another supply is needed, it is more trouble, more space and more money.  The consumer market gets some rather poor circuits because the market is so cost-sensitive.  Optoisolators and similar circuits are fairly ubiquitous in medical electronics, for example, because the market is professional and not so hyper-reactive to cost.  These are interesting circuits.  I am not telling you to use them so much as to encourage you to read the highly-rewarding application notes about them, then decide for yourself.  They have products nowadays called 'logic optoisolators' that require a minimum of design effort to implement. Opto-isolators are a little less popular now because bandwidth and circuits they protect are a little more robust by nature now.  There are other forms of isolators that use acoustic or RF energy instead of light that are used in special cases.  Transformers can also be used in some cases to minimize the energetic transfer across a barrier.

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