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Open Source options for RGB to HDMI

baldengineer
baldengineer over 4 years ago

For my Mini Apple IIe project, I'd like to include HDMI output. This project is a one-off. So, I want HDMI to work, but I am not worried about passing compliance or licensing tests.

 

Ideally, I'd like to find an off-the-shelf chip that can take analog RGB signals, a sound input, and convert them to HDMI.

 

Why not DVI? The sound. From what I understand, DVI does not support a sound channel.

 

Looking around at the obvious semiconductor companies, it seems like analog-RGB to HDMI is something that exists. However, all require contact for more information. I suspect this step is to make sure you are licensed for HDMI IP. Fair step, but I am not selling anything.

 

On the grey market, I found the IT6613 (mirrored datasheet). It is used in the Open Source Scan Converter project. An interesting chip, it seems to do what I want, but it is huge and has a bunch of stuff I don't need.

 

I suppose one option is to do something with an FPGA. But I was really hoping to find something off-the-shelf.

 

I briefly looked at the Pi Pico PIO DVI implementation. But, again, the sound seems to be a stumbling point there.

 

Any ideas?

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  • dougw
    dougw over 4 years ago +3
    Something like this in chip form? https://www.ebay.ca/itm/144137191329?hash=item218f3effa1:g:t3oAAOSwZrhhCK5L
  • baldengineer
    baldengineer over 4 years ago in reply to dougw +3
    It is an interesting idea. That takes Component video which is Luma-based. I have considered buying something similar that takes in RGB, and tearing it apart. There is probably a cheap SCART-to-HDMI adapter…
  • baldengineer
    baldengineer over 4 years ago in reply to wolfgangfriedrich +3
    Excellent find Wolfgang! With a brief look, I believe this is what I am after. I'll investigate the datasheet a bit more later. It does look like there are a few suppliers on the grey market that offer…
  • wolfgangfriedrich
    0 wolfgangfriedrich over 4 years ago

    A combination of Analog Device's AD9983 + ADV7513 might work.

    Both chips seem to have limited supply at some distributors. The AD9983 is not recommended for new designs, but from your former posts, your project isn't exactly new either. image

    And I am not sure how much configuration those chips need to make them do what you want.

    - W.

    PS: I was looking at those chips for a composite video to HDMI solution, but that would need another step of composite to RGB first and I never prototyped it. And if it is really a one-off, you can always buy an eval board and 'borrow' the chip from there.

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  • baldengineer
    0 baldengineer over 4 years ago in reply to wolfgangfriedrich

    I initially came across the ADV7513. But lack of access to (real) datasheet is what made me realize I might not be able to gain access to the resources I need.

     

    As I think about your suggestion, though, I might be able to skip the ADC. The signals I get from the MEGA-II are a digital RGB sequence. So, I can probably skip converting it to analog just to get them converted back to digital. I will, probably, need to change the digital RGB sequence I get into something a chip like the ADV7513 understands.

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    0 dougw over 4 years ago

    Something like this in chip form?

    https://www.ebay.ca/itm/144137191329?hash=item218f3effa1:g:t3oAAOSwZrhhCK5L

    image

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    0 baldengineer over 4 years ago in reply to dougw

    It is an interesting idea. That takes Component video which is Luma-based. I have considered buying something similar that takes in RGB, and tearing it apart.

     

    There is probably a cheap SCART-to-HDMI adapter that supports RGB.

     

    That approach means some reverse engineering (and hope.) This project is already pretty RE heavy as it is. image

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  • colporteur
    0 colporteur over 4 years ago

    Please correct me if I am wrong but isn't the use of HDMI propriety and requires licensing?

     

    I am far from being an expert. I recall having issues one time with a device to television sets. The device didn't support HDMI and I made an inquiry to the vendor. They didn't want to spend the money to license the technology. Now they could have been blowing smoke up my *** to discourage me.

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    0 baldengineer over 4 years ago in reply to colporteur

    I thought I was clear in my original question.

     

    I'm looking for options to implement HDMI into a project, which will not be sold, without getting a license.

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  • wolfgangfriedrich
    0 wolfgangfriedrich over 4 years ago in reply to baldengineer

    baldengineer 

    With digital RGB, this one might be an option:

    Chrontel CH7035. I can't look at more details right now, because it is hosted in China, but there is a project over at Hackaday.io that uses the chip and might be able to be reverse engineered.

    https://hackaday.com/2019/07/26/hdmi-from-your-arduino/

    Buying one might be a challenge too.

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    0 baldengineer over 4 years ago in reply to wolfgangfriedrich

    Excellent find Wolfgang! With a brief look, I believe this is what I am after. I'll investigate the datasheet a bit more later.

     

    It does look like there are a few suppliers on the grey market that offer them. Not my preferred acquisition method, but I probably have no other choice in this case.

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    0 wolfgangfriedrich over 4 years ago in reply to baldengineer

    Yeah, findchips.com only shows one German distributor, that only sells full trays of 168 pieces. If you want to go into mass production, I could help with the translation. image

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