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A Question on Aging Effects on Electrolytic Capacitors

jw0752
jw0752 over 7 years ago

In my quiet times I like to salvage old electronic circuits. As I sort through the parts I often take the time to check the capacitance of the electrolytics. Of course there are many that show signs of leakage and test low against their rated capacity. These get tossed. There are however a surprising number that look fine but test well above their rated values.

 

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Here we have a typical old electrolytic with a rating of 330 uF at 16 Volts. However when I measure it with a couple different meters I get a capacitance of 460 uF. This is 40% above the rated value. What I am hoping someone can explain to me is the physical mechanism by which this capacitance has increased with age.

 

As a continuation of this experiment I have put 16 volts on this capacitor and charged it and discharged it several times. While I could not document this it appeared to take more current on the first charge. I understand that the dielectric layer between the metal and the electrolyte can be damaged and then repaired by the correct polarity being applied. Perhaps this explains the apparent extra leakage on the first charge. Now that I have processed the capacitor through several charge and discharge cycles and left it at full voltage for several minutes I have retested the capacitance. The capacitance has come down to 455 uF which doesn't indicate any significant change that might have been related to the healing of the dielectric layer.

 

It is probably a simple physical change that has occurred with the passing of time but it has gotten me curious. The other explanation, of course , is that the capacitors just had wildly bad tolerances years ago and I am just imagining this conspiracy to increase in value with time.

 

John

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  • michaelwylie
    michaelwylie over 7 years ago +6 suggested
    It's not unusual for a capacitor to have a tolerance of plus 50%. Do a parametric search from a distributor and you'll see for aluminum electrolytics that -10% to 50% is a common tolerance.
  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 7 years ago +5 suggested
    Interesting trying to find what the tolerance is for these. I did find this about pre-conditioning here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolytic_capacitor For antique radio equipment or for electrolytics…
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 7 years ago +5 suggested
    Hi John, Interesting measurement! Agree, it could be tolerance related, also it might be very leaky, and if the capacitor meter is charging it, and waiting for the voltage across it to reach a certain…
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  • DAB
    0 DAB over 7 years ago

    Nice post John.

     

    I think you will find that the material separating the two plates of the capacitor has changed over time.

     

    I suspect that the increased capacitance value was caused by the material shrinking slightly bringing the two plates closer together.

     

    Please be careful with these capacitors because the increased capacitance also means that the electrolytic breakdown voltage has been reduced, so you can expect these capacitors to fail at lower than rated voltages.

     

    Have fun testing these old capacitors, just do not be surprised when one fails.

     

    DAB

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    0 jw0752 over 7 years ago in reply to DAB

    Hi DAB,

     

    Thank you for the insight. I had thought about the possibility of the metal crystalizing or fracturing thus increasing the surface area but I had not considered the distance between the plates decreasing. I will have to study a little more about the structure of electrolytics as I believe that the electrolyte itself serves as one plate and the metal the other with the insulating oxide layer as the dielectric. This would mean that the oxide layer itself may have devreased.

     

    John

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    0 jw0752 over 7 years ago in reply to DAB

    Hi DAB,

     

    Thank you for the insight. I had thought about the possibility of the metal crystalizing or fracturing thus increasing the surface area but I had not considered the distance between the plates decreasing. I will have to study a little more about the structure of electrolytics as I believe that the electrolyte itself serves as one plate and the metal the other with the insulating oxide layer as the dielectric. This would mean that the oxide layer itself may have devreased.

     

    John

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    0 DAB over 7 years ago in reply to jw0752

    Hi John

     

    When the electrolyte evaporates it can leave salt deposits on the two plates. These salt crystals can for conductive paths which greatly reduce the capacitance and voltage tolerance.

     

    There has to be two conductive plates in every capacitor. The electrolyte is just a buffer fluid used to balance the insulating material to maintain a constant value of capacitance over the plate area.

     

    DAB

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