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How can I deal with resistors when I'm colorblind?

4ringfan
4ringfan over 10 years ago

Hey guys, Mike Wiltrout here.  I believe many of you may know my father, John Wiltrout.

 

This really is not much of an introduction post, but it is my first on E-14.  It is picture laden so I apologize for that ahead of time.  I did, however, feel like it would be an interesting topic that some of you might be able to help me with, so here goes!

 

In my early childhood, I recall wanting to be a fireman.  One day, my mother took me in to the clinic for a school physical.  It was then that the doctor showed me a series of images with different color dots on them to determine if I was colorblind.  Supposedly somewhere in the mix of dots on each image was supposed to be a number that I was to recite when I could make it out.  Unfortunately for me I could make very few of them out.  Below is an example of just such a chart and on that chart below I can really only make out the '12' in the upper right corner.  It was then that the doctor began telling me about all of the careers that I would never be able to pursue.  Included in that list was fireman.  When I asked the doctor why I would not be able to be a fireman, he told me that firemen need to be able to see colors to be able to tell how hot a flame was.  So I left the doctor's office that day a little bit sad and discouraged.

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My father, being the troubleshooter that he is, set out to try and help me with my colorblind condition.  He picked up color swatches in hopes that I might be able to "re-learn" the colors or at least be able to use the color swatches to compare against colors I wanted to know.  Turns out it just doesn't work that way.  The problem comes with being unable to differentiate.  Red can look like orange, orange can look like yellow, yellow can look like green, green can look like blue, and so on.  ORANGE means STOP and WHITE means GO!  As a teen, I was interested in flying and wanted to get into the Air Force Academy, but pilots need to be able to see colors so they can tell if a plane is coming at them or flying away from them using colors on the wing and tail.  I then considered the National Guard, where I was told that I could not be an engineer and that the ONLY military career paths that were open to me were about few different ones: a chaplain, a draftsman, or an infantryman.  They wouldn't even let me be a cook because I cannot tell if meat is raw or cooked.  Anyhow, you get the idea, being color blind can be a challenge.  My wife finally made me get rid of my favorite blue office chair, because she could no longer stand the "hideous purple thing."

 

So, here is and has been my dilemma.  How do I differentiate and identify the various color coded resistors?



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My solutions so far consist of the following:

 

  • GET A BUDDY TO HELP ME - Preferably a buddy who is also not colorblind, but while a buddy might be able to help me sort a new collection of resistors into bins, he isn't going to be attached to my hip when I need a resistor identified on a project that I'm working on at 3AM.image
  • MEASURE THE RESISTOR USING A MULTIMETER - This may work to identify a resistor outside of a circuit, but it also does not take into account any tolerances of the resistor, which I also cannot discern.  I do not want to de-solder a leg on each resistor I need to measure on a PCB, either.
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  • LABEL THE RESISTORS - This will work if I buy resistors that are in label pre-packaged bags and I am able to label them right away.  I probably would look to label them according to either European or SMT standards in order to keep the labels as small as possible.  This method takes a considerable amount if time, and I will probably only use it for prototyping.
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  • PREMARKED RESISTORS - Some resistors like SMT resistors have their values printed on them.  These I can figure out.
  • VISUAL COMPUTER AIDED ANALYSIS - Another idea that I had was to use either a camera, or a USB microscope to "scan" the resistor.  The image could then be dropped into a computer program that would orient the resistor and scan the color bands displaying a value in Ohms and providing me the tolerance.  I have no experience with any program that can automatic manipulation and color matching, so I'm stuck there.
  • FIX MYSELF? - The last idea would be to somehow fix myself with some type of contacts, glasses, or other medical method.  (Again, not my field of expertise.)

 

The problem is not limited to resistors, either.  I'm thinking a career in bomb disposal sounds pretty interesting, "Should I cut the RED wire or the BLUE wire?"

 

So lets hear some suggestions!  GO!

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  • dougw
    dougw over 10 years ago in reply to 4ringfan +4
    Hi Mike, I'm currently immersed in some pretty heavy projects, so I don't have much time to devote to this, but I just wrote a quick program in VB6 that will show the color of any pixel on the screen …
  • valdaquendë
    valdaquendë over 8 years ago +4 suggested
    As a color-blind individual myself, I've had to struggle with this for quite a while. I read about ReScan, on this site and others but it is PC/Android only and requires a bit of putzing to install and…
  • dougw
    dougw over 10 years ago +3 suggested
    Maybe this app would help... Optical recognition of resistor codes | Labrigger from Nothing Labs (Rich Olson) Resistor Photo ID
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  • Problemchild
    0 Problemchild over 10 years ago

    Good Post Mike, BTW if you know the % tolerance a range of resistors in your pot or dustbin are then measuring them does tell you what they should be as they choose the range values to allow you to make up any value you want to with in that 1-5% or what ever. Any way even if they are at their full tolerance they should be closer to the value they should be than to any other value in the series.

     

    Anyway the resistance you measure is the resistance you have so maybe that's more important than the stripes ...not that most designs are that ultimately fussy any road  image

     

    Keep the posts up!

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  • 4ringfan
    0 4ringfan over 10 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    I agree completely John, what you measure is what you actually have for resistance at that time and temperature no matter what color bands are on a resistor, but it still doesn't help me when the resistor is in a circuit and cannot be easily isolated. 

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    0 4ringfan over 10 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    I agree completely John, what you measure is what you actually have for resistance at that time and temperature no matter what color bands are on a resistor, but it still doesn't help me when the resistor is in a circuit and cannot be easily isolated. 

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  • Problemchild
    0 Problemchild over 10 years ago in reply to 4ringfan

    Yeah you are right... Although if it's an SMD device you'd be luck to even see it and also I think the App would have difficulty identifying the  component you were on about if faced with a board full. Also I doubt it could do a good enough Macro unassisted.

     

    Maybe one of those inspection  cams at £30-250 would be good along with an App.. Take a pic then ask it "Wot's That?"

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  • 4ringfan
    0 4ringfan over 10 years ago in reply to 4ringfan

    I had picked up a 5MP 50X-500X 8 LED USB Digital mircroscope from Amazon for less than $30.  It had been previously mentioned, that a camera on a phone may not have the macro capabilities to zoom in and view a specific resistor on a PCB.  I used the USB microscope to capture an image of a resistor, thinking that maybe if it was blown up and close to a color pallet that it might help.  To illustrate just how messed up my interpretation of the colors are, I'm going to tell you what I see.  I took the screen images with my phone instead of using a screen capture so I apologize for that ahead of time.


    In this image, I see colors/shades that I believe to be: ORANGE BLUE GREEN GOLD.

    The bad part about this is that it is a 560 Ohm resistor, so the colors should really be GREEN BLUE BROWN GOLD.

    Hmm, 2 colors out of 4.  50% isn't half bad, is it? image

    Having a color pallet below the image does not seem to help me.  If I could possibly use a software color sample tool that could grab the color from the picture and tell me what it was that would probably work.

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    Even if the USB camera does not, in the end, get used for my CB issues, I think it will still be useful for those old man issues, so that is good. (iPhone left & microscope right)

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  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 10 years ago in reply to 4ringfan

    Using the USB microscope take a picture of the part and then run it through an image viewing program such as Irfanview that will let you manipulate the colors. For example, sequentially adjust the red, blue and green levels and note the changes. With some practice you could be able to associate the relative changes with the actual color.

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  • dougw
    0 dougw over 10 years ago in reply to 4ringfan

    Would it help to have an app where you have a cursor that numerically indicates the RGB color values under the cursor?

    Actually the Hue value is probably enough - so a cursor that has a little hue box attached would allow you to move the cursor across a resistor and see the hue values of each stripe as the cursor crosses it. Better yet it could indicate the color in text form - less mental conversion, but also less accurate.

    Or would a rainbow spectrum plot be better - see where the cross hairs are in the color palette as below...

    Perhaps a cursor mapped on a CIE color chart would be better?

    You can manually determine the color constituents using IrfanView by using the color picker tool and clicking on the color palette as shown here - I clicked on the green band using the color picker tool, then the picked color block in the lower right corner of the Paint Tools pop-up, then the Define Custom Colors button:

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  • Problemchild
    0 Problemchild over 10 years ago in reply to dougw

    I was going to comment on illumination but to be honest most of the resistors you get now have such crap paint on them it's not so obvious what on earth they are !

    Reds=Browns or even Oranges

    Conversely for lighting you have only a certain number of combinations to  a given Exx Range so you can give a set of them or ask for the lighting to be adjusted. The tolerance Bands have even fewer combinations so really you should be able to tell if your lighting is all to pot.

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  • mcb1
    0 mcb1 over 10 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    4ringfan

    Lighting is the whole key to this, and unfortunately cheap poor quality cameras are not a suitable answer.

    Your 50-500X Microscope might be optically increasing the size, but if it's not optically increasing the size, then all its's doing is reducing the resolution. (as we see with the IC)

     

    Many of the smaller digital camera have an outlet that should be able to used for live feed to software, and some have optical zooms.

     

    You need an even light source to properly illuminate the subject, rather than a high powered light source that throws a lot of light on the foreground, while the background is dark.

    Using a 'Grey Card' as the background ensures you can adjust the lighting level and camera to ensure you are rendering red/brown as red/brown.

     

     

    Putting aside the resistors on a pcb for a minute ...

    If you had a number of sample resistor images that you could place side by side, would you be able to see they are the same/different.?

    Both would be similar sized as per your first image.

     

     

    I'm not an expert but I see you have the Green Brown colour blindness, which means certain colurs are a problem, but others are correct.

    Identifying this means different light colurs and a filter may offer a solution.

     

     

    Mark

    I once knew a farmer who had the same colurs issue... when he looked at his lush green paddocks and they were brown ...image

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  • 4ringfan
    0 4ringfan over 10 years ago in reply to dougw

    You and Chuck are right, I could use another piece of software like IrfanView (A program that I know and love)  I could capture the image with the scope, either save the image or do a Irfanview screen capture, color pick from the image for each color, getting the RGB values, and then use those to somewhat approximate using either the ROYGBIV image cursor layout or some use of the predominant values.  However, I do not want it to be a 5 minute process to determine a single resistor's color either.  It needs to be fast and it needs to be accurate, otherwise I'm not going to want to do it, or I'm going to put the wrong value resistor into a project and blow stuff up.  Much more like the iphone program that you located Douglas.  I want to locate something like that.

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  • Problemchild
    0 Problemchild over 10 years ago in reply to mcb1

    image

    This picture isn't bad especially for a $30 inspection cam using only the available diffuse light in my office

    Would probably be Ok if the components are marked but as you can see no markings except on the IC so

    little point in arguing on the right method on many boards as there is no markings to be had image

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  • mcb1
    0 mcb1 over 10 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    That is pretty good.

     

    Got a link for it, it might mean I can forgo the really large magnifying glass.

     

    Mark

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