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  • Date Created: 26 Sep 2020 12:20 PM Date Created
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Check out a scrap switch mode Transformer

Jan Cumps
Jan Cumps
26 Sep 2020

When I saw Michael's post on a power supply for the Archeology Resistivity Meter that's being designed here in the community, I remembered I have a switch mode transformator in my scrap parts box.

It's there since forever. I unsoldered it when throwing away a consumer product. Not to be reused in a circuit, but as a source for enamelled wire.

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The transfo has 12 pins. It's been so many years ago that I couldn't remember where I got it from.

Out of curiousity I'm trying to find out what the layout of the windings is and how it was used.

The mistery is resolved; Google tells it's from an old Philips VCR video recorder. And I found the schematics and operating principles back.

 

I did the first investigations yesterday before I had found the info back. Turns out I was on the right path.

 

Find the coils

 

I first measured the resistance between pins. That shows which ones have a coil between them.

Because that's a DC measurement, it does not reveal the polarity (where winding #1 is). But it gets a first layout on paper:

 

resistance measurementcoils layout
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ignore the 2 text annotations, that was added later when I found info on internet

 

The transfo has 2 primary windings, 2 single secondary ones, and a 3rd secondary with 2 taps in between.

 

Find Polarity and Windings Ratio

 

I then switched to AC to find direction of each coil relative to the 1st primary one, and the ratio.

I put a 400 mV RMS sinus on the first winding; at 400 kHz. Then checked the other windings with an oscilloscope.

If the other winding is in phase, the direction is identical, else it has an opposite winding direction.

 

pin 5 - 6: 2nd primary winding:

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You can see that the phase is opposite. This coil is wound in the opposite direction of the 1st primary.

ratio is 100 mV / 400 mV = 4:1

 

10-11: 1st secondary winding:

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The 3 secondary windings all have the same direction.

The ratio for this one is 36 mV / 400 mV =  11:1

 

12 - 13: 2nd secondary:

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30 mV / 400 mV = 13:1

 

14 - 15 -16 - 17: the 3 windings in series

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Here, the first part is:

124 mV / 400 mV = 3:1

middle part:

(181 mV - 124 mV) / 400 mV = 6:1

right part:

(278 mV - 181 mV) / 400 mV = 4:1

 

Datasheets and Service Manuals

 

Since then I found good information on the internet. It wasn't an easy find because I couldn't locate a spec for the transformator, and the serial number is used for at least 4 different coil configurations.

Turns out that the exact configuration was used in a Philips VR 120 VCR. And that sounds right. I've taken parts out of several video recorders in the day (motors, opto-couplers and transformators.

 

Here is the transformer layout from the service manual:. As you can see, very close to my findings.

They show one more winding between pin 17 and 18 that's not used. On my transformator, that winding and the pin aren't available.

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source: https://elektrotanya.com/  Philips Apollo 13 service manual

 

The Schematics

 

The design is built around a n MC44608. Switching frequency is 40 kHz (oops, I did the ratios an order of magnitude too high)

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source: https://elektrotanya.com/  Philips Apollo 13 service manual

 

The supply is intended to work low power in stand-by mode. You can see that there are STBY switch transistors in the secondary circuits.

Some of the rails have a branch for stand-by and on, each catering for the relevant circuits in the recorder (notably the remote control detector and the µcontroller (Toshiba TMP93CT76) that needs to be awake to perform pre-programmed recordings.

 

Principles:

 

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source: https://elektrotanya.com/  Philips Apollo 13 service manual

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source: https://elektrotanya.com/  Philips Apollo 13 service manual

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  • DAB
    DAB over 5 years ago +3
    Good post Jan. DAB
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 5 years ago +3
    Hi Jan, I kept old transformers for enamelled wire too : ) VCRs always seemed to be a technology 'on the edge' of either working, or not working : ) Always impressive that the spinning head thing could…
  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 5 years ago +3
    It is fun to see what turns up when you start to investigate a component. Good job on following this one right to the foundation. John
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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 1 year ago

    I just did a measurement of the inter-winding-capacity. Inspired by  Experimenting with Flyback Transformers 

    I shorted the primary (1-3) and the first secondary (17-16). Then put an LCR meter across the two windings.

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    I measured across the 5 frequency ranges of the LCR meter (100 /120 Hz, 1 / 10 /100 kHz). The capacity measured is between 15 and 17 pF.

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 1 year ago

    I just did a measurement of the inter-winding-capacity. Inspired by  Experimenting with Flyback Transformers 

    I shorted the primary (1-3) and the first secondary (17-16). Then put an LCR meter across the two windings.

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    I measured across the 5 frequency ranges of the LCR meter (100 /120 Hz, 1 / 10 /100 kHz). The capacity measured is between 15 and 17 pF.

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