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  • Author Author: Jan Cumps
  • Date Created: 26 Sep 2020 9:44 PM Date Created
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Measure Unknown Inductor Value with Function Generator and Oscilloscope

Jan Cumps
Jan Cumps
26 Sep 2020

There are affordable switch mode DC converters available.

One that you see often is this Benq 12 V to 5V converter.

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I can find info on all components, except the inductor. And I don't have an inductance meter.

There are several other ways to measure inductance. In this exercise I'm using the method with triangle waveform as described on meettechniek.info.

 

Ingredients:

  • the inductor, desoldered
  • a function generator with triangle waveform option
  • an oscilloscope

 

The setup is straightforward.

Set the generator to 50 Ohm and tune it in to a reasonable frequency. I set it at 10 kHz (my inductor is made for the kHz range).

Put the output over the inductor, and the oscilloscope probes.

Then push the voltage of the generator as high as possible, while the waveform doesn't start to show saturation. See the yellow waveform below for an impression.

Then change the frequency so that the voltage drops as low as your oscilloscope can deal with. In my case, I turned it down to 5 kHz.

 

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Then start measuring.

VR: delta of the ramp. I used the delta of horizontal cursors for that: 32 mV

VL: between 0 and halfway the ramp: 95.5 mV.

t: time of the ramp. I used the delta of the vertical cursor for that (and it's half the time of one cycle too): 100 µs.

Ri: impedance of the generator. We had set it to 50 Ohm.

Vg: peak-to-peak output of the generator. Unplug the inductor and measure it with the oscilloscope: 8.16 V.

(I also captured it with the white REF signal but note that it's not at the right horizontal location. The peaks should be at the same spot as the peaks in the yellow trace)

 

... and Calculate the Inductance

(the formula images are from the meettechniek.info site)

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= 8.16 V / 50 Ohm = 0.16 A

 

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= 0.095 V * (100 µs / 0.16 A)

= 0.0000594 H = 59 µH

In the common inductor tolerance series, that would most likely be a 68 µH one.

 

 

Validate with the Switch Mode IC specs

Let's check this off with the specs of the LM2576 5V IC that's used in this circuit.

The PCB has an input spec of 12 V. It claims to switch up to 3 A (I found one website that indicated this - most don't claim current).

On the Inductor Select graph, this brings us here:

image

image source: TI LM2576 datasheet

 

That is a match: 68 µH. The expected inductor is used on the PCB.

And the triangle waveform method turned out to be a valid way to get at the inductance of a coil.

 

The whole circuit is exactly the typical application schematic from TI, adjusted for the 12 V input and 3 A output.

image

image source: TI LM2576 datasheet

 

Input and output caps are 220 µF.

The Schottky diode is a On Semiconductor SS34.

 

Link to other magnetics related posts.

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 5 years ago in reply to shabaz +6
    You are right . I have a known inductor from Velleman, the 50L1, a 50 µH at 1 A, 64 µH at 0 A inductor that has practically the same kernel dimensions, and 41 turns. source: velleman The one one I reviewed…
  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 5 years ago +6
    Hi Jan, I enjoyed your post and it is very timely as I was just playing with a LM2576 T the other day. I have seen the fixed voltage chips and I wanted to see how well the variable voltage variety worked…
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 5 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps +5
    Hi Jan, What's the dimensions of the core? From that, and the number of turns, which looks about 30 in your photo, it is maybe possible to guesstimate the core type too : ) From guessing from the photo…
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  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 5 years ago

    Hi Jan,

     

    I enjoyed your post and it is very timely as I was just playing with a LM2576 T the other day. I have seen the fixed voltage chips and I wanted to see how well the variable voltage variety worked.

     

    image

     

    Basically what I learned is that they work very well though not on a bread board. My first attempts were flakey and lacked the ability to provide a reasonable current output. When I fortified the power and ground connections things got a lot better. The formula to select resistors to designate output voltage were right on. If one were to build a power supply using the LM2576T on a circuit board the design of the circuit board itself would be a critical factor in the success of the build.

     

    John

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    Jan Cumps over 5 years ago in reply to jw0752

    jw0752  wrote:

     

    ... Basically what I learned is that they work very well though not on a bread board...

    A breadboard seems to violate every and each suggestion in the  Layout Guideline image.

    For SMPS they don't fit. If you have issues it's either because the breadboard can't handle the power or its capacity messes with the feedback loop.

    Clad board works, A wooden planch with the components directly soldered together too. A perf board sometimes.

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    Jan Cumps over 5 years ago in reply to jw0752

    jw0752  wrote:

     

    ... Basically what I learned is that they work very well though not on a bread board...

    A breadboard seems to violate every and each suggestion in the  Layout Guideline image.

    For SMPS they don't fit. If you have issues it's either because the breadboard can't handle the power or its capacity messes with the feedback loop.

    Clad board works, A wooden planch with the components directly soldered together too. A perf board sometimes.

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