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  • Author Author: Jan Cumps
  • Date Created: 25 Apr 2020 10:27 AM Date Created
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Traco Power DC converter - Probe the Output

Jan Cumps
Jan Cumps
25 Apr 2020

Inspired by Using a DC-DC Isolator to allow single power input to case? (and to stop hijacking that post) I'm checking the output noise of a Traco Power DC-DC converter.

The  device I have is the TEN 6-4822WINTEN 6-4822WIN. It translates 48 V into +- 12 V.

In this post, I'm using its +12 V to power my dc load in two situations: with and without fan.

 

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I'm using a very naive approach, directly using the switcher output to power an analog circuit and the fan. And virtually no output filtering.

It is interesting to see what happens in that situation though.

 

 

First capture is with the oscilloscope in DC. 2 V and 10 ms / div.

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2nd is the same setting, with fan (consumes approc. 150 mA).

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3rd is with the scope in AC, 200 mV and 100 µs / div.

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The last one i again the same, with the fan spinning.

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There are a few takeaways here:

  • powering the fan from the analog Vcc is silly. You can't do a proper measurement with the noise induced by the fan motor.
  • the DC drops when the fan is on. Not a terrible thing in the eLoad, because no measurements are directly in relation to Vcc. There's a Vref for that.
    Vcc needs to be high enough to give the OpAmps headroom to swing and the output FET to regulate. But 12 V vs 11.x V is not an issue.
  • also without the fan, there is enough noise to require filtering. While the absolute voltage (the DC component) doesn't impact the working, noise on the power lines (AC component) does.

 

The Traco will be a valid choice to power the load, if I put a noise filter in place.

The fan should not be powered from the analog supply. It either has to be powered from a separate supply, or from the Traco before the output filter.

Another option is to use the Traco's -12 V for the fan ... It'll still dump noise on the ground line but that would be before my filter ...

 

Thoughts?

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  • Andrew J
    Andrew J over 5 years ago +3
    This is really interesting to see. I have a Recom isolator on the way and it will be interesting to see what its output is like - something very similar I should think. Thanks for posting this.
  • genebren
    genebren over 5 years ago +2
    Jan, Interesting blog. I have struggled with the noise issues surrounding switching supplies/regulators (similar to a DC-DC isolator). What I find that works best for me is to run the digital side direct…
  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 5 years ago in reply to genebren +2
    (hope you aren't banned. I clicked report instead of reply on my tablet ). I have put a ferrit on the power line to the analog part. It does clean up the noise. (on purpose - it is week-end and I just…
  • Andrew J
    Andrew J over 5 years ago

    This is really interesting to see.  I have a Recom isolator on the way and it will be interesting to see what its output is like - something very similar I should think.  Thanks for posting this.

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    genebren over 5 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    I still seem to be able to login and stuff, so far so good.

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  • DAB
    DAB over 5 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    PS, I get a little cranky on high pain days.

     

    DAB

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    DAB over 5 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Hi Jan,

     

    Sorry, I know you have been working on this design for a while so I was surprised to see this issue pop up.

     

    I am just use to seeing these details worked out in advance with engineering reviews before they are built.

     

    Your approach will get you a quick prototype, but as you have seen, it also introduces additional issues that you have to fight later when it is more costly to do so.

     

    DAB

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 5 years ago in reply to DAB

    That someone was me.

    I've made this design here on element14, DAB, with everyone here as witness - over 3 years.

    Instead of planning, I used the complete different approach:

    Design a module, test it, get feedback, improve, then make the next one.

     

    Your comment is a bit demotivating. Be considerate.

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